ZEO WARS - Whats your highest score?

[BasementDwellingGeek]

I'm thinking of buying a Zeo bedside, how often do you have to replace the head band? I've read that your required to replace it every 3 months.

Your mileage will vary. People will give you wide ranges. I think 3 months is approximate normal life. I got my Zeo Bedside about 4 months ago and I'm on my second band. I bought a pack of 3. I wash the sensor pad and head band from time to time, after removing the electronics that snap on to it, of course.

Now I'm going to have to do more research. I've been using mine for 154 nights and have never washed it. Maybe my Z scores would improve with a cleaning or new headband? I guess I need to find out more about headband_status and headband_impedance and try to correlate their values with ZQ over time. Dorking with ones own data can be so much fun!

bdg

[Jay Aitchsee]

My high scores are low 70's. If I hit 60 or more, I feel pretty good. unfortunately, I have many scores in the 30's and 40's and I feel accordingly. My low scores are caused by frequent and prolonged awakenings and lack of deep sleep.

[MaxDarkside]

Now I'm going to have to do more research. I've been using mine for 154 nights and have never washed it. Maybe my Z scores would improve with a cleaning or new headband? I guess I need to find out more about headband_status and headband_impedance and try to correlate their values with ZQ over time. Dorking with ones own data can be so much fun!

I sleep upstairs, my bedside is within range downstairs, connected to one of my computers (hacked getting data in real-time). What I notice when the head band starts to get "iffy" is drops in the signal during the night. When I get too many signal losses, I change the band. I went back and looked and I'm changing bands about every 2 months, which goes to show mileage does vary.

[deltadave]

All this talk of high scores is annoying (mainly because mine tend to sit in the 65 - 75 range (my Zeo thinks I don't get much REM)). I'm curious about the lowest scores. I know I got 45 one night, but I'd need to check my records to see if that's the lowest I've seen.

The easiest (LOL!) way to increase ZQ Score is to add SWS (the sleep, not the person) because it is heavily weighted in the calculation.

OTOH, SWS decreases naturally as a function of age, so it would seem that the SWS Factor still might not be aggressive enough for anyone other than the young (objectively described as 20-30 year olds):

Average minutes of slow-wave sleep decreased from 118.4 minutes for young adults to 85.3 minutes for middle-aged adults and 84.2 minutes for older adults.

http://www.aasmnet.org/articles.aspx?id=1562

[deltadave]

Also, I'll bet fluoxetine will really screw this thing up.

[Jay Aitchsee]

http://psychrights.org/research/Digest/ ... ar1994.pdf

[deltadave]

http://psychrights.org/research/Digest/ ... ar1994.pdf

It gets even more confounder as the NREM looks like REM, complements of "Prozac Eyes":

http://www.thoracic.org/clinical/sleep/ ... -sleep.php

[Jay Aitchsee]

The easiest (LOL!) way to increase ZQ Score is to add SWS (the sleep, not the person) because it is heavily weighted in the calculation....

Well then, there's Olanzapine http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 99)00273-5 or
Ritanserin http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 9386902994

Two I haven't tried.

[deltadave]

The easiest (LOL!) way to increase ZQ Score is to add SWS (the sleep, not the person) because it is heavily weighted in the calculation....

Well then, there's Olanzapine http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 99)00273-5 or
Ritanserin http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 9386902994

Two I haven't tried.

Shoot, get out the big guns!

Grab some GHB!

[tetragon]

The easiest (LOL!) way to increase ZQ Score is to add SWS (the sleep, not the person) because it is heavily weighted in the calculation....

Well then, there's Olanzapine http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 99)00273-5 or
Ritanserin http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 9386902994

Two I haven't tried.

As amusing as the thought of taking stuff to alter the results of an arbitrary calculation may be, I won't be the one to try it. My doctors are firmly in the "you get nothing until after the Aspergers evaluation" camp, and that evaluation is a few months away.

[MaxDarkside]

Shoot, get out the big guns!Grab some GHB!

Does that induce Xy-REM? (LOL!... LOL?)

[avi123]

[quote="MaxDarkside

I'd say don't worry about trying to get uber high scores because that could be caused by a disorder... abnormal. I think 70's is good, and being in an 80-90 range is very good and the best is, really, how you are feeling. We're all different, so our individual "good" sleep scores will vary. If I go over 90 I start feeling groggy again, probably over-sleeping. If I'm in the 60's I'm feeling not so rested. The ZQ is another metric that gives you information, the Zeo sleep stage chart gives you more information. You can use that to see how to improve, if you feel you need to improve.

As I understand, you'r saying that good results on the Zeo are not optimizing your life's other problems besides sleep. You would weigh the benefits of taking medications such as Paxil, Xanax, Ambien, Benzodiazepine, etc. even if they could delay your REM or cause your eyes to move in NREM as in REM, and thus lower your Zeo score, as long as as your total benefits are optimized.

[MaxDarkside]

As I understand, you'r saying that good results on the Zeo are not optimizing your life's other problems besides sleep.

Right. One should not merely chase a singular Quantitative (measured) value, such as infinite Zeo Sleep Score, or even an AHI of 0.0. In reality, a massive ZQ would not be at all good. As DeltaDave points out, you could have horrid sleep and a great ZQ. There's a lot of dimensions and performance measures in our lives and in my experience, balancing gives the best result. Maximizing one or a few will throw your "spinning plate of life" way out of whack.

[squid13]

Just ordered my Zeo bedside today and am looking forward to using it. I think the measure of any of this stuff is how do you feel the next day. I've had horrid AHI's and felt better than when I had a good AHI.

[gschamel]

"IMHO", however, 11.5 hours of sleep with a 40% REM cannot be considered normal by any standard.

To be clear - my 11.5 hours was highly unusual and I wasn't able to sleep much the next day.

this is more typical of a week: