OT:Good Calories, Bad Calories....

[jnk]

Personal enthusiasm about diets is very valuable to this forum, in my opinion. I hope it continues to run rampant. It is helpful to me.

I believe that our individually paying attention to what we eat is almost always a good thing, regardless of which unproved hypothes(i/e)s we each use as a framework at any given moment, as long as we are careful and balanced about it.

And it sounds to me like you are.

I just like being irritating by posting silly disclaimers.

[hades161]

I like one response to the video that was posted on the host site. No, I did not post it. But it did make me think.

If everyone knew the truth, the prices of grass fed beef would go trough the roof.

Grain feeding is the only way to feed 7bil. ppl.

I of course, will remain meat head. And leave the grass to the sheeple.

Could this be the main reason for the Wheat & Sugar push by government? Could the food industry adjust to supplying the world with a low carb, meat based diet without grains?

[jnk]

At this point, I believe low-carb is almost as big an industry as low-fat.

People grow whatever the government is not paying them not to grow.

[hades161]

Low-Carb grain products yes, but an all out nation wide change to more veggies and meat? without the grains? What would happen to the businesses that push Wheat based products if the Government suddenly said Low Carb GOOD and Wheat & Sugar BAD?

[jnk]

The food corporations have a fairly short turn-around for their product compared to many other industries. They'd be fine. They'd just grow whatever would keep food prices where the regulators wanted them to be.

Besides, no one listens to what the gov't recommends anyway, do they? Don't people continue to eat pretty much how they want to eat? Have all the deep-fry places gone out of business from the past/present recommendations, for example? (Or is it that all the low-carb people are keeping them in business? ) Trends rarely happen overnight, either way. And even when they do, the market fixes that with reactionary pricing easily enough. It's a rigged system, regardless, IMO.

[BlackSpinner]

Low-Carb grain products yes, but an all out nation wide change to more veggies and meat? without the grains? What would happen to the businesses that push Wheat based products if the Government suddenly said Low Carb GOOD and Wheat & Sugar BAD?

The reality is that we can not feed the world population without modern grain. Low carb/ wheat free may be the healthiest diet but starvation is not. I was a vegetarian for many years for philosophical and political reasons. There is no way a meat based diet is possible or good for the planet as a whole.
This is another reason I fall off the low carb waggon so easily, guilt.

[Kiralynx]

Speaking of bad calories....

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/03/19 ... ocers-1-4/

I'll definitely take high fat meat if I can avoid this junk!

[hades161]

Low-Carb grain products yes, but an all out nation wide change to more veggies and meat? without the grains? What would happen to the businesses that push Wheat based products if the Government suddenly said Low Carb GOOD and Wheat & Sugar BAD?

The reality is that we can not feed the world population without modern grain. Low carb/ wheat free may be the healthiest diet but starvation is not. I was a vegetarian for many years for philosophical and political reasons. There is no way a meat based diet is possible or good for the planet as a whole.
This is another reason I fall off the low carb waggon so easily, guilt.

Then this might explain the General Policies/Recommendations of the Government and it's scientists as well as the monetary factors.

[hades161]

Speaking of bad calories....

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/03/19 ... ocers-1-4/

I'll definitely take high fat meat if I can avoid this junk!

Yeah, the whole "Pink Slime" thing is very eww to me as well.

I stopped buying meat and food at Wal-Mart awhile go. The hamburger always seemed to fry up funny to me, maybe this was why.

[Emilia]

For those missing sandwiches on 'bread,' I came across this today: http://satisfyingeats.blogspot.com/2012 ... -buns.html

Edit: the above recipe is for quite a few buns. If you prefer to try a single bun, I found this one: http://www.freecoconutrecipes.com/index ... burger-bun

[Kairosgrammy]

First of all, youtube is not the first place to go to find reliable information based on reliable research. If you research diets on youtube, you will find support for low carb, low fat, vegan, vegetarian, saturated fat is good, saturated fat is bad, olive oil is good, olive oil is bad, glycemic load/index etc. They are all based on research of some sort. If you listen to this, glycemic index is not as useful as glycemic load according to Dr. Weil. I'm not sure how reliable he is but you are the one mentioning glycemic index. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29KdXZH0niA All or nothing of anything is never a good idea and there is no such thing as black and white. I try to avoid some foods because they aren't as healthy but I don't stop eating them entirely. I enjoy a steak now and again, it just isn't something I eat a lot of. I do occassionally use ground beef but I use leaner meat. In the final analysis, calories in/calories out is how you lose weight. If these people lost weight, it was because they ate less calories than they used. That fact doesn't change over different kinds of diets.

As far as your research, I'd have to ask how was the research done, what variants were controlled, etc. There is good research and bad research. What kind of heart attacks did those people whose cholesterol was fine have? My brother had a massive coronary, the kind that is often called the "widowmaker". One of the major arteries to his heart tore open and caused massive damage to his heart. His weight, cholesterol etc were all fine. I want you to know, that his cardiologist told him to watch how he ate even though his heart attack was not caused by a blocked artery or high cholesterol.

I tend to go by conventional wisdom until it is scientifically, using good research protocols, proven over multiple studies and by reliable sources. Youtube doesn't qualify. Glycemic index/load is useful particularly if you are diabetic or insulin resistant. But it is only one factor in describing a healthy diet. A good diet is well balanced and healthy. And after awhile, most of them all lead to the same place.

Kairo, you are stating the "conventional wisdom":

Too much red meat is probably not good due to high amounts of saturated fat which is the worst kind of fat and are known to clog your arteries.

Whole grain rice, bread and pasta is healthier by most research

It's old and very flawed research.

Newer peer-reviewed, scientific research is showing that dietary saturated fat intake does NOT "clog your arteries" in the least. Saturated fat helps to increase HDL (the "good cholesterol") and greatly improves the HDL/triglyceride ratios, decreasing small, dense LDL (the "really bad cholesterol"). Total cholesterol may go up, but total cholesterol is NOT predictive of cardiovascular disease. In fact, studies show that about 50% of people who suffer heart attacks and strokes have low total cholesterol.

Whole grain bread has a higher glycemic index (a measure of impact on blood sugar) than white bread, and a much higher glycemic index than white table sugar. It's a fact that starches increase your blood sugar and your insulin levels, and it's actually blood sugar that's the BEST predictor of cardiovascular disease.

You've heard it all your life--the conventional wisdom is absolutely that whole grains are "healthy" and "better for you" than white stuff, but the reality is that they are BOTH pretty bad for you. Saying whole grains are better is like saying low tar cigarettes are good for you (rather than less bad for you than full tar cigarettes) and therefore you should smoke a LOT of them.

Take a gander at the video I posted above, or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vr-c8G ... T2E4NQAHAA (How Bad Science and Big Business Created the Obesity Epidemic). By every measure, heart disease, Obesity, and diabetes have increased exponentially since the US adopted the low fat, high carb diet. When people adopt a low carb diet, high in fat including saturated fats and moderate proteins, lipid numbers improve, blood sugars improve, overall health improves dramatically with numbers to prove it.

[Kairosgrammy]

Celery tastes horrible!!!!

Whole grains vs. no grains, meat vs. no meat, etc. I'm going to just stop eating all controversial food items until this is all sorted out. I'll be eating celery. I haven't heard anyone say anything negative about celery. And spinach. Who can say anything bad about spinach?!

[Drowsy Dancer]

Low-Carb grain products yes, but an all out nation wide change to more veggies and meat? without the grains? What would happen to the businesses that push Wheat based products if the Government suddenly said Low Carb GOOD and Wheat & Sugar BAD?

General Mills already has a gluten-free product line: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/magaz ... lobal-home

[Drowsy Dancer]

Thank you, I'll see if they provide any guidance.

I was disappointed when I looked at the SCD (CSD?) website and found that their definition of "flare" involved the consumption of a forbidden food after a time reviving bad gut bacteria that had gone dormant/spored, which THEN created cravings, rather than the mechanism you described of bad gut bacteria signalling to the brain to create cravings, which is something entirely different.

Okay, my friend got back to me with some articles on the brain/bowel connection. She does note that she likse this article on the gut-brain connection, but it does focus more on the neurological side rather than the gut ecology aspect.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... cond-brain



Here are some others she had bookmarked that discuss the gut-brain connection.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 140247.htm

http://www.economist.com/node/21528214

http://www.geekosystem.com/enterotypes-gut-bacteria/

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/23/healt ... wanted=all


Because she has a functional digestive issue, she does note that she tends to bookmark articles on the neurological side of our digestion, as you can tell. She also says she has seen a number of articles on the newer research area, human gut microbiome, in her reading over the past 8 years, but she didn’t save a list. [sigh]

[idamtnboy]

Low-Carb grain products yes, but an all out nation wide change to more veggies and meat? without the grains? What would happen to the businesses that push Wheat based products if the Government suddenly said Low Carb GOOD and Wheat & Sugar BAD?

The reality is that we can not feed the world population without modern grain. Low carb/ wheat free may be the healthiest diet but starvation is not. I was a vegetarian for many years for philosophical and political reasons. There is no way a meat based diet is possible or good for the planet as a whole.
This is another reason I fall off the low carb waggon so easily, guilt.

This kind of goes along with another aspect I've read/heard about - energy efficiency. It has been argued that from an entire cycle standpoint grains deliver the most energy to a human body per Btu of energy used to produce it. Meat is much less energy efficient. I heard a comparison made one time of energy efficiency of bike riding vs. gas guzzler driving. The author of the comment calculated all the energy required to produce a pound of beef steak, and how far the bicyclist could go on the energy derived from that pound of steak. He then compared the amount of energy required to drive an old gas guzzling Buick that same distance. From the standpoint of the entire energy consuming/producing cycle to move that particular distance, the Buick was more efficient!

Now, I have not made any attempt to verify any of the above, but it does point out that the decision to do what is best for the planet, and what is best for our bodies, may require choosing between two conflicting goals. Is it possible that what is healthy for planet earth is not healthy for humans, and what is healthy for humans is not healthy for planet earth?

Brings to mind the quote by H.L. Mencken

For every problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.