Have PRS1; should second machine be PRS1 or S9?

Jason7 · Post by **Jason7** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:19 pm

Hi -- any suggestions on what to get for a second machine to leave at my daughter's house when I stay there?

I have a PR S1 Bipap, which I use as a cpap now (6 cm H2O). (Long story short -- I was rx'd a bipap but needed only a cpap.)

For the second machine, should I stay with the PR line (and get a PR S1 Auto) or try the S9 Autoset? (I prefer an AUTO.)

I can think of the following:
PRS1
Pros -- I have software and also some spare parts for this already (humidier chamber, filters, software)
Cons -- Screen less readable than S9

S9Autoset
Pros -- Better screen, more data on screen, use of climate hose if needed, I can try different kind of exhalation relief
Cons -- Software not available anymore (?is that correct), more expensive, hose comes from the back.

I know these 2 machines both give good therapy, but just wondering if anyone has any other insight.

Thanks!

Jason

Pugsy · Post by **Pugsy** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:26 pm

ResScan is easily available ...free.

SleepyHead is now Beta released. Developed by one of our forum members. Information on it in my signature. It is compatible with ResMed S9 machines and the PR S1 machines.
It is so easy to use and really offers much more data than Encore did.

The heated hose is nice. I bought a stand alone heated hose this fall. Respironics has a heated hose machine that is being released. My DME told me. Not available widespread yet...but it will be.

They are both excellent machines. If you are use to Flex relief..the EPR is a bit weird feeling at first but doesn't take long to get adjusted.

I recently had a chance to try a Resmed VPAP S9 Auto to compare it to my PR S1 BiPap Auto.
Both quiet and both did their jobs very well. I liked them both equally. The ResMed offered one setting feature in auto mode that I really liked that I can't get on the PR S1..not a feature on the Autoset not something that would impact Autoset user.

If you are the curious type like me.....try the ResMed.. if you are afraid you won't like it...well there is always that chance because they go about things with different algorithms.
The hose in the rear of the S9...well it isn't a huge deal breaker.

I liked the S9 VPAP auto that I am going to try to save my pennies and find a good deal on one. I will probably switch them out and alternate. It is really hard to say I like one better than the other.

So you can remove software from you pondering...that is covered easily for free with both machines.

archangle · Post by **archangle** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:09 am

ResMed
Cons - Shipped with the stupid disposable tank. Add $40 for a dishwashable tank.
Erases some data after 7 days, some after 30, some after 365.

PRS1
Pros - Water tank is a lot harder to spill back into the machine.
Cheaper.
Keeps full waveform data until the card fills up, which usually doesn't happen.
Cons - Really bad 1980's quality LCD display. (Yes, it was mentioned before, but deserves to be mentioned again.)

As to spare parts, after you buy a spare water tank or two, and filters, aren't you sort of back to even in terms of spares? Are the two houses far apart? If so, does it help that much about having spare parts for one machine at the other house?

Jason7 · Post by **Jason7** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:50 pm

Pugsy, archangle, thanks very much for your excellent points...I will go with the Resmed S9 Autoset, and let everyone know my experience in comparing the two...
Jason

rozenbob · Post by **rozenbob** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:29 pm

Make sure the DME gives you a S9 Autoset NOT the S9 Rescue Auto.

I had to change DMEs to get the proper Unit!!

I think my S9 Auto is Great and worth my efforts to change

Pugsy · Post by **Pugsy** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:37 pm

Jason7 wrote:.I will go with the Resmed S9 Autoset, and let everyone know my experience in comparing the two...

Please do let us know how they compare to you. I hadn't ever had a chance to use a ResMed machine till one of the forum members let me borrow hers. I had no idea how they compared. Some minor difference and a few minor adjustments getting used to things but all in all....I really liked it. One feature especially and has to do with bilevel in auto mode was much more pleasant on the ResMed machine. Strictly a while awake comfort thing though.. Effectiveness of therapy was identical.
I have some of it documented here if you are bored. I used APAP for over 2 years and recently changed to BiPap...not because of need but because of want..explained here if you want to look.
viewtopic/t71442/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=71 ... te#p656179

Not many people get a chance to use both machines and it is always great input when someone does and can share their observations.

Sleep_Depraved · Post by **Sleep_Depraved** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:03 am

While I'm all for experimentation, there's also a continuity factor to consider. The PRS1 and S9 have different algorithms, you may find that if the PRS1 works well for you, you may not do as well with the S9; this may be be simply due to acclimation to the PRS1. Also, if you have trouble sleeping in different environments,the change in machines might amplify any sleep problems. They're both excellent machines; in my own case i've been using Respironics machines for so long I just couldn't't get used to the Autoset no matter how much I wanted to like it.

Jason7 · Post by **Jason7** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:44 am

<<in my own case i've been using Respironics machines for so long I just couldn't't get used to the Autoset no matter how much I wanted to like it.>>

Hi Sleep Depraved,
Is your note that you couldn't get used to the resmed autoset no matter how much you wanted to like it, based on a trial of using it, or a prediction?
Thanks.
Jason

Sleep_Depraved · Post by **Sleep_Depraved** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:07 pm

Hi Jason.

I own both the PRS1 and the S9, my note is based on my experience with both. That, however, is my subjective experience--a lot of people have had great results with the S9. My point was simply that their algorithms are different enough that it might be problematic to be switching between them.

chunkyfrog · Post by **chunkyfrog** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:24 pm

I have an S9 Autoset.
I use the LCD display all the time; the software just occasionally.
This works for a busy little froggie.
But If I had to go BIPAP, It would be the other guys.
I hear their waveform is more natural.

Jason7 · Post by **Jason7** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:51 pm

Hi again Sleep Depraved,
Thanks for your follow-up note.
When you refer to the "algorithms" -- are you referring to how the machine handles events in auto mode, or are you referring to the difference between the FLEX of the Respironics and the EPR of the S9?
Thanks again.
Jason
...and also thanks chunkyfrog...

Pugsy · Post by **Pugsy** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:10 pm

CFlex and EPR are both exhale relief features but they go about it differently. EPR does the simple per cm drop in pressure per the setting choice. Pretty straightforward.

All the different Flex modes work on a small reduction (not as small as EPR) along with a response based on your own flow rate and rhythm. They do feel differently but when I tried it the adjustment time was minimal and not a difficult adjustment, I had 2 1/2 years on Respironics machines before I tried the ResMed. I had just as good of therapy and I felt just as good. For me the algorithm's were not a problem.
I can understand where some people might prefer one or the other but I think most people could adjust with any major issues. Heck...Smartyblartfast has a ResMed S9 and a Devilbiss and he likes the both just fine.

I will say this...I am going to try to find a VPAP S9 Auto when I have a bit of money. I want one. I liked it just as well as my Bipap S1. Pretty much equal...they both feel good to me. I plan to rotate use. One month with each one.

So yes, some people see a noticeable difference in the machines and cannot adjust. The PR S1 APAP I bough last spring was from a forum member who had both and preferred the ResMed. Rested gal has used both machines...says either one works well and she likes them both. same with me.

If you just absolutely hated it...I bet you could sell it real quick.
Used to I tried to stick with one brand do to software choice...now that I can use SleepyHead on both so it is a not an issue. I want a VPAP Auto S9. They are relatively new to the market so it will be a while before they filter down to craigslist low enough for me to be able to afford.

Jason7 · Post by **Jason7** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:02 pm

Pugsy,
Thanks again for your excellent advice, you are a star!
I got the S9 today and after I get used to it, will post my impressions of the S9 vs. the PR 1.
Cheers,
Jason

Cotay · Post by **Cotay** » Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:16 am

Jason7 wrote:Pugsy,
Thanks again for your excellent advice, you are a star!
I got the S9 today and after I get used to it, will post my impressions of the S9 vs. the PR 1.
Cheers,
Jason

I'd be very curious to hear your comparison since I'm debating which machine I'd like to get with my next DME.

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