?Exhale Puff Index of 31 with full face mask and mouth tape?

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Re: ?Exhale Puff Index of 31 with full face mask and mouth tape?

Post by Grantb » Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:43 pm

DeVilbiss Marketing wrote:Grant -

Expiratory puffing occurs when a patient who normally breathes in and out through the nose begins to exhale in short, high-volume puffs through the lips.

This breathing pattern can create a poor signal that can interfere with therapy. The IntelliPAP AutoAdjust tracks expiratory puffs, but does not respond. Increasing pressure would not reduce puffs and may increase puffs. Exhale puffing in excess of 30 per hour should be monitored. Have you tried a dual airway interface like the Hybrid?

As an FDA regulated medical device manufacturer, DeVilbiss cannot legally provide therapeutic input or medical advice which is why we referred you back to your treating physician.

We have a detailed document that explains how the IntelliPAP AutoAdjust alorithm works and the parameters it monitors.

http://www.devilbisshealthcare.com/file ... T-2089.pdf

I hope this helps. Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.
We seem still to be talking past one another here.

Going by the definition provided above, a person who uses a full-face mask generally cannot be described as one who "normally breathes in and out through the nose." Such patients have already experienced problems using a nasal-only form of mask. (At Kaiser, my provider, you cannot even try a full-face mask until it's established you cannot tolerate the nasal-only version.) It's unclear to me how the rest of the discussion above – which only applies to people who normally breath in and out through the nose – has anything to do with the question I asked.

As for your later question, "Have you tried a dual airway interface like the Hybrid?"... In what way is either of my two full-face masks NOT a "dual airway" interface? They both provide pressurized air to my mouth and nostrils simultaneously.

One correction: I am not asking for "therapeutic input or medical advice" here. DeVilbiss has definitively explained what the EPI means for people who normally breathe in and out through the nose: I'm simply asking for a similarly definitive explanation of what it means for people who normally DON'T breathe in and out through the nose. If providing that information is prohibited by the FDA, then DeVilbiss has already violated the rules by giving the explanation already provided for everyone else.

If the real answer is DeVilbiss does not know what the EPI means for people who do not normally breath in and out through the mouth, please just say so. If DeVilbiss needs to do some research on this device to fill in the apparent knowledge gap, I would be happy to participate as a subject. It's upsetting enough to have sleep apnea: I don't need the extra stress of trying to get my machine's manufacturer to explain what their machine's messages mean.

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Re: ?Exhale Puff Index of 31 with full face mask and mouth tape?

Post by DeVilbiss Marketing » Mon Feb 07, 2011 10:25 pm

I have contacted our engineering team for their input. It would help to have efficacy numbers - AHI, Leak, NRI, pressure limits.

As for the Hybrid - it is termed a “Dual Airway Interface”. It’s a combination oral and nasal pillows device. The interface features a chin support that helps to keep the mouth closed around the oral portion of the device, thus maintaining a good seal.

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Re: ?Exhale Puff Index of 31 with full face mask and mouth tape?

Post by Grantb » Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:03 pm

Thanks and I look forward to hearing what your engineers have to say.

Typical stats at 5 weeks into therapy:

AHI: 5-8
NRI: <1
Leak: 0
Pressure: Currently 12-16, peaking at 15-16 most nights. Pressure plateau ranges 0-10%, probably averages about 3.

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Re: ?Exhale Puff Index of 31 with full face mask and mouth tape?

Post by AZ CPAP User » Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:51 pm

It seems no matter how tight I use my chin strap, my EPI is always 31, always. I have not yet tried tape.

I used to use a full face mask but got to the point where I hated it. Nasal pillows gave me a sensation of suffocation. I have gone to a nasal mask for the last year or so. Got the DV54 about two months ago and been using the smart codes without software package.

Anyway, my AHI is mostly around 4 to 6. A few times I will get to 2.5 - 3.5. But the EPI is always 31 like clockwork.

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Re: ?Exhale Puff Index of 31 with full face mask and mouth tape?

Post by AZ CPAP User » Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:44 am

no inputs?

Also seems my machine is stuck displaying 31s regardless of how often I unplug it. Can you reset the smartcode?

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Re: ?Exhale Puff Index of 31 with full face mask and mouth tape?

Post by Lizzzabeth » Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:38 am

With the Quattro, have you tried an anti-leak strap? That little extra support across the middle of my face helps me keep a seal. Pad-A-Cheek makes one, http://www.padacheek.com/PAC_AntiLeak_Strap.html but I just used my ResMed chin strap across the mask, just above the elbow, making sure it doesn't cover the vents. And I also wonder why you would tape with a FFM?

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Re: ?Exhale Puff Index of 31 with full face mask and mouth tape?

Post by Emilia » Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:52 am

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Re: ?Exhale Puff Index of 31 with full face mask and mouth tape?

Post by physicsbob » Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:29 pm

I have had questions about this as well. I have read the explanation for exhale puffs and still have questions. I use nasal pillows, and tape my mouth shut with two inch 3M tape or blue painters tape, I have no leaks but still get 20 to 41.expiratory puffs per hour, The software doesn't show any instantaneous leaks, with a max leak rate pretty level at less than 6.0 l/m, and my AHI between 1 and 3.1 with almost all being hypotonias