WHY IS MY DME COMPANY LYING?

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Re: WHY IS MY DME COMPANY LYING?

Post by Pugsy » Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:01 am

SMenasco wrote:I'm due to replace my current S8 Cpap next month. The medical people I deal with only handle Resmed. What is the difference between the Resmed Escape Auto and the S9? Thanks.
S9 models use a SD card to store data so there is no need for the pricey card reader and smart card that was needed with S8.

S9 Escape Auto offers hours of use and AHI only. No leak. No AHI breakdown.
S9 Escape (straight cpap) offers hour of use only..

S9 Elite and S9 Autoset offer the full range of data.

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Re: WHY IS MY DME COMPANY LYING?

Post by TalonNYC » Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:23 am

Make a stink, demand to be handed up the "food chain" to a higher level manager. Do not back down, do not give in, and be very clear that you already know the answer (your doc AND insurance company told you).

Most of us have found that once we draw the line and tell the DME that we already got the answer, they just need to fill out the paperwork, suddenly the DME becomes our "friend." My suspicion is they do this so that we won't scream from the rooftops how slimy they are, but whatever the reason it seems to work.

Why do they lie? Because they can make more money if they do. However, just like any other sales venue, if the salesperson sees that they're talking to someone who can call them on their BS, suddenly the game changes and they stop trying to screw you over.

If they don't, report them to your insurer, and to any others you know they accept. The LAST thing they want is for insurance companies to start asking a lot of questions =)

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Re: WHY IS MY DME COMPANY LYING?

Post by Bons » Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:40 am

I'm with Talon on this one. Stay with your current DME because others might be just as bad in your area. Confronting them and asserting yourself might be in your best interest.

I HATED the respiratory therapist at my DME. I finally confronted her with my frustrations (like never explaining my ASV to me, or helping me fit masks to it) and she made an effort to help. She has since admitted knowing next to nothing about the machine, and has made several calls to Phillips Respironics to help me deal with some issues..... and thanked me for pushing her so that she can be more helpful to other clients. Miracles do happen sometimes.

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Re: WHY IS MY DME COMPANY LYING?

Post by NightMonkey » Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:44 am

jobe2433 wrote: last week my doctor change my pressure from 8 to 14.5.
Wow! You need to take some time with this one and absolutely make sure you get a machine with software. Not all machines are compatible with software.

That the doctor needs to make that large of a change in pressure is an indication that your effective pressure has not yet been determined and maybe the doctor is just guessing.

With the software you can get a detailed report of your breathing minute-by-minute throughout the night. Then you will know if your therapy is working properly and not have to depend on a doctor's guesses. You will know if your mask is leaking and if you are having breathing events.

Most of us have software and treasure it! Make it a priority.

Ask and members can point you to an appropriate machine and software.
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Re: WHY IS MY DME COMPANY LYING?

Post by Otter » Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:28 am

jobe2433 wrote:After doing research on their end they informed me my DME never called to get anything approved or even to check benefits. I confronted the DME about this and they told me they just assumed this would be the case! It seems to me they do not understand I am not getting a new machine because I just want one. What am I missing. Do they not want my business? UGH sorry for the rant just so frustrated.
Yeah, whatever. You want fries with that? Oh, sorry, that was my last job. Uh.... Your insurance denied your claim.

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Re: WHY IS MY DME COMPANY LYING?

Post by Here before » Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:36 am

They lie because they can . I have dealt with Apria for 3 years and had pretty good success at getting
what I wanted. Now this year I wanted a new quieter machine and my Insurance Company said yes.
However I have taken responsibility for my therapy all these years. I wanted the provider manuel to
change my pressure .
Last time they said yes with a Drs script This year it's not their policy even with one. However
I have learned from here and experience they are not the only company with whom my Insurance deals
So I found one that did and now I am a very Happy hoser with my new machine
Respironics PR system Remstar Auto one with A flex. I can adjust my pressure, A-flex to C-flex ,
A-flex and I do not get along .

They are so ignorant, Heck one can go on line and get the info to change pressures.
The next DMe said the same thing but I got the script written anyway.

Change Dme's As needed is my policy.
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Re: WHY IS MY DME COMPANY LYING?

Post by kempo » Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:41 am

It's not just the money some of them are just lazy. Hell they have to call your insurance, fill out forms, reorder, restock. How can they have time to read facebook?

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Re: WHY IS MY DME COMPANY LYING?

Post by Janknitz » Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:29 pm

Most CPAP users are not educated about their own therapy. They go in to the DME, accept whatever the DME hands them, and either use it without complaint whether it's working for them or not or don't use it at all--that's why there's a very high failure rate for CPAP therapy.

WE are the execption. I'll wager that only a very few people ever walk into their DME's store asking for particular machines, knowling how to adjust them, knowing how to access data and what it tells them. Because we are so few and far between, the DME's can get away with handing people bricks that may or may not work for the patient, but certainly enhance the DME's bottom line.

It is also rare to find a DME that cares a single whit about patient success with CPAP, as long as the compliance period is met. Why should they when it costs them money to do so? Money that is included in the reimbursement they receive from Medicare and other insurers, but if they can pocket that money instead of spend it, why not???

In a free enterprise society, it's all about the money for most. Nothing wrong with it when you're selling widgets or diet cola, but there's something stinky when it's people's health and lives.
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Re: WHY IS MY DME COMPANY LYING?

Post by rested gal » Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:50 pm

Janknitz wrote:Most CPAP users are not educated about their own therapy. They go in to the DME, accept whatever the DME hands them, and either use it without complaint whether it's working for them or not or don't use it at all--that's why there's a very high failure rate for CPAP therapy.

WE are the execption. I'll wager that only a very few people ever walk into their DME's store asking for particular machines, knowling how to adjust them, knowing how to access data and what it tells them. Because we are so few and far between, the DME's can get away with handing people bricks that may or may not work for the patient, but certainly enhance the DME's bottom line.

It is also rare to find a DME that cares a single whit about patient success with CPAP, as long as the compliance period is met. Why should they when it costs them money to do so? Money that is included in the reimbursement they receive from Medicare and other insurers, but if they can pocket that money instead of spend it, why not???
Amen, amen to what Janknitz wrote!

Especially this part: "I'll wager that only a very few people ever walk into their DME's store asking for particular machines --"

And THAT is what amazes me the most about the resistance (and sometimes outright hostility) those few and far between are met with by some DMEs. When the vast majority of newly diagnosed do simply "go in to the DME, accept whatever the DME hands them, and either use it without complaint whether it's working for them or not or don't use it at all -- " you'd think it would be no big deal to the DME to happily accommodate that one in a thousand (ten thousand?) special request. After the DME recovers from the initial shock of witnessing one cow out of a vast herd stand up on its hind legs and speak English, that is.

Surely those few-and-far-between specific machine requests wouldn't have any real impact on the bottom line of a DME's profits. The DME would still be gaining a new customer who will be making regular repeat purchases via the insurance replacement schedule, for years to come.

I think a lot of DME resistance happens for ego reasons. A lowly "patient" is not simply accepting what a little demi-god wearing a smock hands him/her or tells him/her? Unthinkable. Hackles go up.
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Re: WHY IS MY DME COMPANY LYING?

Post by xenablue » Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:51 pm

I decided to 're-try' my original DME as my dr. prescribed compression hose for a circulation issue. This DME was a nightmare for CPAP so I quit them and went elsewhere with my neuro's blessing.

I made the appointment to see the specialist to fit the hose, they called back a day later to say that my insurance won't cover compression hose!!! WHAT??????
Called my insurance company who said "we absolutely cover compression hose, as prescribed, unless you want more than 4 pairs per year".
Needless to say, I contacted the referrals person at my clinic for a new DME for the hose, and let this DME know how I really felt. Strike two and they're OUT in my book.

I truly think they had a big black mark next to my name from a couple of CPAP incidents, so they're avoiding any further trouble from me

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Post by chunkyfrog » Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:11 pm

Bad DME--AND BAD INSURANCE!
I reported fraudulent billing to BCBSNE, and they did NOTHING!

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Re: WHY IS MY DME COMPANY LYING?

Post by dulce88 » Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:51 pm

If you think they're bad, you should try Apria!