NEW!!!! PR S1 Pro w/Auto IQ !!!!

[Slinky]

Just got the newsletter from cpap.com this afternoon!!! They are taking pre-orders.

AutoIQ is a smart upgrade to the PR System One Pro CPAP.
This new technology allows the PR System One to work in APAP mode for up to 30 days, establishing what pressure will best suit your pressure needs.
Outside of the trial mode, this system will function as a CPAP and adapt every 30 hours to best accommodate your pressure requirements.
AutoIQ uses diagnostic trials and checks to ensure you receive an accurate pressure stream.

[Pad A Cheek]

Slinky,
I saw one of these at the Minneapolis convention. I spoke to the Philips Respironics representative, but I did not like that it is not a true APAP. It does not adjust through the night as an APAP does, if I understood the explanation I was given. The IQ is suppose to take the control out of the patient's hands from what I gathered. Of course I could have misunderstood.

They seemed to be pushing it as a hybrid between the CPAP and APAP and it would keep the doctors and the DMEs happy. APAPs are a touchy spot apparently when talking with the doctors, some are very much against them. I am still not sure why.

I am not too sure about this new machine, I would love to hear the reviews of people who actually use it.


Karen

[Slinky]

Thanks, PadACheeks. So who understands the reasoning of those doctors who insist that PAP data isn't accurate, can't be relied on, who are against patients having access to the data??? Think of all the doctors who don't/won't even look at PAP data beyond compliance.

[ThomasMcKean]

Yew are right about doctors not liking auto. I really tried to talk my doctor into one and he refused. I had to get it myself without insurance.

[Alshain]

My doctor doesn't like them either. I think they are afraid that it will replace Titration studies or something, that's revenue taken from their facility. Honestly, I don't think they are capable of doing that. You need a point of reference even when using an APAP.

[Slinky]

I would agree. I prefer an in-lab PSG's accuracy (which really is only as good as the sleep tech you get) and the additional sleep disorder information they can provide that PAPs can't. BUT, then there is the TREND of the APAP data that is so valuable AND COMPLIMENTARY to the PSG's one solitary night of data.

[jnk]

Just got the newsletter from cpap.com this afternoon!!! They are taking pre-orders.

AutoIQ is a smart upgrade to the PR System One Pro CPAP.
This new technology allows the PR System One to work in APAP mode for up to 30 days, establishing what pressure will best suit your pressure needs.
Outside of the trial mode, this system will function as a CPAP and adapt every 30 hours to best accommodate your pressure requirements.
AutoIQ uses diagnostic trials and checks to ensure you receive an accurate pressure stream.

Philips Respironics, the marketing morons, strike again!

The people who want a real auto won't be getting one, since it isn't a real auto; the people who don't like autos won't like anything that auto-titrates ever. So who is supposed to buy the stupid thing?

If a doc doesn't like "autos," he isn't going to approve anything with the word "auto" in the name, whether it has an added "IQ" next to it or not. After all, any doc not bright enough to understand the value of an auto isn't going to have the attention span it takes to understand what makes so-called "auto-IQ" any different.

Talk about muddying the waters for the masses and docs alike! This machine is sure to disappoint everyone involved, seems to me.

The Philips Respironics poeple need to have their own IQs checked, I say!

Only my opinion based on my initial reaction to the news. And of course, that opinion could change at random and then later stay the same. Sort of an OpinionIQ.

[Pugsy]

Philips Respironics, the marketing morons, strike again!

Ditto
Same group who think that the 7/30 average is so to die for...Idiots.

[ThomasMcKean]

The people who want a real auto won't be getting one, since it isn't a real auto; the people who don't like autos won't like anything that auto-titrates ever. So who is supposed to buy the stupid thing?

I can think of a lot of people who would want it.

Mind yew, that would be AFTER the post on here by some ne'er-do-well programming guru who figures out how to get past that 30 day limit.

Only a matter of time till someone figures it out.

[jnk]

I found a copy of the specs:

[jedimark]

This has confirmed my theory that these machines are basically the same apart from firmware..

[Alshain]

This has confirmed my theory that these machines are basically the same apart from firmware..

Oh, I think that is more than theory. They have to be the same hardware or they wouldn't be able to do their base function. No additional hardware is needed to record more data to a SD card. No additional hardware is needed to run calculations on that data for titration. The phrase is 'intellectual property'. My company does the same thing, we have one hardware platform for half a dozen controllers.

[Janknitz]

So who understands the reasoning of those doctors who insist that PAP data isn't accurate, can't be relied on, who are against patients having access to the data??? Think of all the doctors who don't/won't even look at PAP data beyond compliance.

Think of all the Kaiser members (like me) who are very successfully titrated at home on auto machines because Kaiser does not profit by spending money on an expensive in lab titration study under very artificial circumstances.

I prefer an in-lab PSG's accuracy (which really is only as good as the sleep tech you get) and the additional sleep disorder information they can provide that PAPs can't. BUT, then there is the TREND of the APAP data that is so valuable AND COMPLIMENTARY to the PSG's one solitary night of data.

if you're titrated on the same machine that will deliver your therapy night after night, the accuracy is good enough. It's inter-machine reliability where pinpoint accuracy becomes more of an issue because the numbers you get on one brand or model of machine may not be exact for another.

So does this IQ model perhaps have THREE modes: auto, CPAP, AND the IQ hybrid mode? Or only two: CPAP and IQ??? If it has all three modes, then it's all good. But only two--it's a dud.

[jedimark]

This has confirmed my theory that these machines are basically the same apart from firmware..

Oh, I think that is more than theory. They have to be the same hardware or they wouldn't be able to do their base function. No additional hardware is needed to record more data to a SD card. No additional hardware is needed to run calculations on that data for titration. The phrase is 'intellectual property'. My company does the same thing, we have one hardware platform for half a dozen controllers.

I wish they'd do it properly and offer firmware upgrades.. Then again, I wish they'd stop with half-assed models like this.. IMHO, Engineers should be all given the right to fire marketing department at will... or fire at them.

Intellectual Property is a sick joke.. All ideas are built on top of the framework and hard work of others before them. At it's very core, the only thing Patent's and IP accomplish is the stifling of innovation.

Patents sometimes work for preventing "theft" of tangible things, never for software development, or anything to do with technology for that matter.

The only way to fight the corrupt patent system is to play by their rules.. Which only makes the problem worse.

[Slinky]

Philips Respironics, the marketing morons, strike again!

The people who want a real auto won't be getting one, since it isn't a real auto; the people who don't like autos won't like anything that auto-titrates ever. So who is supposed to buy the stupid thing?

If a doc doesn't like "autos," he isn't going to approve anything with the word "auto" in the name, whether it has an added "IQ" next to it or not. After all, any doc not bright enough to understand the value of an auto isn't going to have the attention span it takes to understand what makes so-called "auto-IQ" any different.

Talk about muddying the waters for the masses and docs alike! This machine is sure to disappoint everyone involved, seems to me.

The Philips Respironics poeple need to have their own IQs checked, I say!

Only my opinion based on my initial reaction to the news. And of course, that opinion could change at random and then later stay the same. Sort of an OpinionIQ.

Goshes, jnk. You don't happen to have any strong feelings about this new PAP, do you???

Actually, I agree w/you but .... had to share the info w/the forum so the newbies could see the reaction and opinions of the "pros" before they buy or before their 30 days window has passed.

Maybe PR developed this PR S1 Pro AutoIQ to compete w/the Resmed S9 Escape Auto, ya think????