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4th Update-Sleep Deprivation in Medical Caregivers

Post by mars » Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:23 am

Hi All

NOTE WELL - This thread has been updated and retitled, but as the content was similar to the latest news, I decided not to start a new thread.

One of the sayings that I invented many years ago to help me keep in touch with reality was this one -
There is no point in a sick mind consulting a sick mind about a sick mind.


To bring it up to date I could just as easily say -
There is no point in a sleep deprived mind consulting a sleep deprived mind about a sleep deprived mind


So when I am sleep deprived it is not a good idea for me to ask myself if I am capable of, say driving, as the sleep deprivation can make me incapable of thinking rationally. So I can easily decide I am capable of driving when, in fact, I am not.

Now let us look at a debate going on in the medical profession, where our lives are the one's at risk.

From Medscape Medical News

Organized Medicine Bristles at Proposed 'Sleep Regulations'

by Robert Lowes

January 12, 2011 — Sleep deprivation can addle someone just as much as drinking a 6-pack of beer, and therefore regulations to protect patients from yawning surgeons are justified, asserts a recent perspective article in the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM).

The authors suggest that surgeons who have been awake for 22 of the last 24 hours could be required by law to disclose their condition to patients scheduled for elective surgery, who could then decide whether to turn to a fresher physician or reschedule.
Physicians differ on the need for regulations around sleep deprivation.

Not so fast, replies organized medicine. Yes, fatigue can fuzz up thinking and degrade technical skills. However, mandating disclosure of sleep deprivation would usurp a physician's professional judgment as to whether he or she is fit to operate, and could give litigious patients one more reason to file a malpractice suit, physicians argue.

"It opens a whole can of worms," Jim Fasules, MD, senior vice president for advocacy at the American College of Cardiology, told Medscape Medical News.

The debate over a regulatory solution for the problem of sleep fatigue is not as theoretical as a recommendation in an editorial. The consumer advocacy group Public Citizen and 2 organizations representing medical students and residents have asked the US Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) to limit work shifts for all residents to 16 hours. Because residency training helps mold the culture of medicine, OSHA restrictions on work hours could reverberate throughout the profession, and not entirely for the good, some physicians contend. For one thing, they fear the growth of a shift mentality that subordinates patient care to physician comfort.

"This is a 365-day-a-year, 24/7 career choice, to become a neurosurgeon," said H. Hunt Batjer, MD, chair of neurological surgery at Northwestern University in Evanston, Illinois, and a former chair of the American Board of Neurological Surgery.

In their NEJM article, lead author Michael Nurok, MD, PhD, and coauthors concentrate on the common scenario of surgeons who have been up all night, only to face an elective surgery scheduled for the morning. The results are often not pretty. The authors cite research showing that the risk for complications rises 83% for patients who undergo an elective daytime operation performed by someone who had less than a 6-hour opportunity for sleep between procedures while they were on call the night before.

One simple way to safeguard patients, write the authors, is to avoid scheduling elective procedures for physicians the day after they have been on night call. Otherwise, sleep-deprived physicians should not be allowed to proceed with an elective procedure unless they first obtain the patient's informed consent with regard to the risks they face. The patient should then have the right to undergo the surgery with that physician, reschedule it, or choose another physician.

Mandatory Disclosure Called "Oppressive and Insidious"

Accompanying the article by Dr. Nurok and coauthors is a rebuttal by 3 leaders of the American College of Surgeons (ACS): executive director David Hoyt, MD; president L.D. Britt, MD, MPH; and Carlos Pellegrinni, MD, chair of the group's board of regents. They agree that sleep deprivation is a problem, but reject the idea of mandatory disclosure because it "eliminates the necessary judgmental latitude surgeons should possess to determine the fitness for providing optimal patient care." For example, a fatigued surgeon might decline to undertake a liver transplant but go ahead with a simpler operation such as a colostomy.

"Professionals of this caliber are likely to view the authors' recommendation that surgeons be required to disclose the number of hours they have slept as oppressive and insidious," write the ACS leaders, who wonder whether surgeons also will be asked to reveal marital or financial woes that might mar their operating room performance.

The solution they propose is training surgeons to recognize how fatigue degrades their cognitive and physical capabilities, and then decide whether to voluntarily disclose sleep deprivation to a patient or go another route.

However, the authors of the NEJM editorial point out a conundrum that runs counter to the ACS recommendation: Sleep deprivation degrades one's ability to recognize how the condition impairs judgment.

"Sleep-deprived clinicians are therefore not likely to assess accurately the risks posed when they perform procedures in such a state," they write. Hence, the need for mandatory disclosure.

"It Doesn't Require a Legislative Fiat"

In an interview with Medscape Medical News, Dr. Batjer said that in his career, coping with sleep deprivation has not been fraught with the problems raised in the NEJM article.

"If I'm up all night and I don't feel good about embarking on a procedure the next day, I talk to the patient about it," said Dr. Batjer. "I would never put someone in the operating room if I felt that I or someone else weren't good to go."

I would never put someone in the operating room if I felt that I or someone else weren't good to go.

And recharging his battery is not all that hard, he added.

"If I've been on call, and done a case, and I have a ruptured aneurysm to do in the morning, I lie down in my office for 15 minutes and come back fresh," Dr. Batjer said. "It doesn't require a legislative fiat."

Another opponent of sleep fiats is Michael Marks, MD, from Norwalk, Connecticut, a member of the Board of Councilors of the American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons.

"The biggest problem with legislation and regulations is their one-size-fits-all approach," Dr. Marks told Medscape Medical News. "Something that might work in an urban environment might not work in a rural environment, where there are fewer physicians.

"And 98% of physicians will do the right thing for their patients. [The NEJM editorial authors] are trying to create legislation to deal with the 2% who are outliers. That's not how things should be done in our society."

Petition Stresses Harm to Residents, Not Patients

Although there are no state or federal laws on the horizon to require disclosure of sleep deprivation, OSHA has been asked to address the issue of sleep deprivation among residents by more tightly restricting their hours.

Right now, residency programs operate under duty-hour requirements set by the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education (ACGME). In 2003, the council limited resident work weeks to 80 hours and shifts to 24 hours. Beginning this July, a new ACGME rule kicks in, prohibiting first-year residents from working shifts longer than 16 hours and mandating a minimum of 8 hours off-duty afterward.

This change does not go far enough for Public Citizen, the American Medical Student Association, and the Committee of Interns and Residents, a union representing 13,000 residents. Last September, along with a number of individual physicians, including Charles Czeisler, MD, PhD, a coauthor of the NEJM editorial, they asked OSHA to impose a shift limit of 16 hours on all residents regardless of year. In addition, they requested a minimum of 10 hours off after a day shift, and 12 hours off after a night shift.

The petition does not stress the effect of sleep deprivation on patient care so much as its effect on the well-being of residents, who may work 30 hours straight. Exhausted physicians-in-training, it states, risk needle sticks, pregnancy complications, depression, and falling asleep while driving home.

"In order to fulfill OSHA's mission to 'send every worker home whole and healthy every day,' you must act now to address the dangers that extreme work hours pose for resident physicians," the petition states.

The coalition contends that schedule restrictions make sense because the federal government regulates the hours of other industries. The Federal Aviation Administration, for example, does not permit pilots to fly more than 34 hours per week, or 8 hours in a single day. In addition, other developed nations, such as members of the European Union, have instituted shifts that max out at 13 hours, with 11 hours off afterward.

Slaves to the Clock?

The petition asking OSHA to regulate resident duty hours has sparked uniform opposition from the American Medical Association, the American College of Physicians, and a coalition of 20 surgical societies, including the ACS.

For starters, organized medicine contends that the job of setting standards for residency training already belongs to the ACGME, and that OSHA would be a poor substitute because of its unfamiliarity with medical education and patient care. OSHA itself cited this reasoning when it rejected a similar request from Public Citizen in 2001 to regulate resident duty hours.

Physician groups also raise the issue of more patient hand-offs. Shorter shifts mean patients will be turned over more frequently from resident to resident, disrupting the continuity of care. The petitioners counter that studies of residency shift-shortening turn up evidence to the contrary — that patient care improves.

Another issue is inadequate training. The argument here is that rookie physicians need as much exposure as they can get to a myriad of medical conditions. "You could rob them of experience," said the American College of Cardiology's Dr. Fasules about shorter shifts. "Are we going to need to increase the length of residency programs? If so, where does that money come from?"

Are we going to need to increase the length of residency programs? If so, where does that money come from?

Dr. Marks of the American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons makes the same point: "It used to be said [in residency training] that when you were on call every other night, you missed half the cases," he said.

Long hours in and of themselves have training value, some would say, because they harden physicians for future rigors.

"Residents need to learn to prioritize and think on their feet," said Dr. Batjer. "If there is a terrorist attack, or a plane crash, with multiple casualties, physicians may have to be on their feet for more than 16 hours. They'll work as long as it takes to manage the situation."

Public Citizen and its fellow petitioners respond that lifelong learning combined with life balance is "at least as important as any experience to be gained between the 80th and 100th hour of a [residency] work week." They also discount the "toughen them up" rationale for long hours, saying physician work weeks after residency training are getting shorter, and on-call schedules lighter.

In yet another salvo against the Public Citizen petition, the 20 surgical societies told OSHA in a letter last month that current restrictions on resident hours are fostering a "shift mentality" and a "loss of professional responsibility to the patient." More restrictions, they warned, could further undermine patient care.

Dr. Fasules provides a hyperbolic, but apt, example.

"I'm in the middle of a 10-hour surgery," he said. "I look up at the clock and I say, 'I've reached my limit. I have to leave now.'

"You're a slave to the clock instead of the patient."

Proponents of stricter duty hours would reply, however, that if a physician is nodding off during surgery, the patient is ill served.

OSHA has yet to issue a decision on the residency hours petition, but David Michaels, PhD, MPH, assistant secretary of labor for OSHA, has already stated that he is "very concerned" about residents working extremely long hours, and that he is willing to hold training programs accountable.

"We know of evidence linking sleep deprivation with an increased risk of needle sticks, puncture wounds, lacerations, medical errors and motor vehicle accidents," Dr. Michaels said in a written statement last fall. "It is clear that long work hours can lead to tragic mistakes, endangering workers, patients and the public.

"Hospitals and medical training programs are not exempt from ensuring that their employees' health and safety are protected."

N Engl J Med. 2010;363:2672-2673, 2577-2579. Abstract Abstract


I think most of us would agree with -
However, the authors of the NEJM editorial point out a conundrum that runs counter to the ACS recommendation: Sleep deprivation degrades one's ability to recognize how the condition impairs judgment.

"Sleep-deprived clinicians are therefore not likely to assess accurately the risks posed when they perform procedures in such a state," they write.


You would think the above is pretty obvious, but evidently not. The arrogance of those who are against preventing sleep deprivation in Doctor's is staggering, and so unscientific as to make one wonder............................?

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Re: OT Organized Medicine Bristles at Proposed Sleep Regulations

Post by tschultz » Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:51 am

I read this and have very mixed feelings especially after my last few months.

Even a few months ago I would have never said that loss of sleep could have as large an impact on my health as I now know it was having. For me, when diagnosed with severe sleep apnea last November the biggest shock was that my drivers license would be suspended until I could show two months of improved health with treatment. Up to this point, and even then, although I knew I was tired I had not felt I was actually impaired. I am not a doctor, but I do work with scientific data on an almost daily basis so I am acutely aware of looking at the facts and making judgment from those facts and figures.

Now having been on CPAP for only the last 2 weeks, I feel like a new person. Looking back I had no idea of how bad I was really feeling or how much it was indeed impacting my thought processes and judgment. I know why the drivers license was suspended even though I don't like that part of it, especially now that I am feeling much better.

So if I consider this then I would not feel comfortable that a sleep deprived doctor is any more capable of judging his or her own status than I was. I also know that stimulants don't make up for any difference in the impairment either; before CPAP I was able to drink a high caffeine energy drink and still could fall asleep 5 minutes later, and still I made a number of stupid mistakes due to impaired judgment. It has also been proven that although we think we can train our body to go without sleep for many hours that it still has significant impacts on our well-being and mental processes. Then we really all do need to ask why does the medical community not practice what it preaches so to speak!

I certainly would not ever want anyone that feel anywhere near the way I now know I had been feeling to be doing anything of any importance, especially performing surgery!

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Post by DreamLady » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:09 am

tschultz wrote: I feel like a new person. Looking back I had no idea of how bad I was really feeling or how much it was indeed impacting my thought processes and judgment. I know why the drivers license was suspended even though I don't like that part of it, especially now that I am feeling much better.
I certainly agree with this! I nearly lost my job before I realized how impaired I really was. In the last four months I've gone from a performance evaluation in which I was put on notice with twice monthly 'review' meetings, to being told this week that the difference in my job performance is nothing short of amazing, and my boss couldn't be happier.

When DH had his hip surgery last year (just after I was diagnosed and started therapy) the surgeon came in the morning of surgery and asked DH "How are you today?" My husband looked up at him and said, "A more important question to ME, is how are YOU today? After all, my life is in your hands."

We purposely chose to be the second surgery on that day. Not so early for a sleep hangover, and not so late that fatigue was an issue. A Doctor (or anyone for that matter) in the throes of sleep deprivation cannot possibly be a judge of their fitness to perform their duties, anymore than an alcoholic that is falling-down drunk is.

I find it strange that people who use the power and technology of science every day of their working lives can discount what science is proving. It's pretty typical of the hubris exhibited by most physicians, and particularly surgeons.

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Post by BlackSpinner » Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:00 am

So would any of those doctors fly with a sleep deprived pilot?

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Post by Slinky » Sat Jan 22, 2011 1:22 pm

The surgeon who said this...
If I've been on call, and done a case, and I have a ruptured aneurysm to do in the morning, I lie down in my office for 15 minutes and come back fresh," Dr. Batjer said. "It doesn't require a legislative fiat."
... would have killed the patient waiting that 15 minutes.

John Ritter, Conway Twitty, my brother-in-law ... all died due to ruptured aneurysms. They couldn't assemble a surgical team fast enough to save their lives. The number of people who live long enough w/a ruptured aneurysm to reach a hospital is minute, much less those who manage to live thru surgery.

I would question his judgement just in selecting that particular example. He must have been sleep-deprived during the interview!

The medical profession has NEVER done a good job of "policing" themselves. Theirs is a history of covering for or overlooking fellow physician mistakes and incompetency, alcohlism, drug use, etc. There but for the grace of God ....

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Re: OT Organized Medicine Bristles at Proposed Sleep Regulations

Post by sydneybird » Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:22 pm


Long hours in and of themselves have training value, some would say, because they harden physicians for future rigors.

"Residents need to learn to prioritize and think on their feet," said Dr. Batjer. "If there is a terrorist attack, or a plane crash, with multiple casualties, physicians may have to be on their feet for more than 16 hours. They'll work as long as it takes to manage the situation."

N Engl J Med. 2010;363:2672-2673, 2577-2579. Abstract Abstract


Really, how does long hours harden physicians for future rigors? Did any of us become hardened from our pre-CPAP condition; well, maybe our arteries and heart became hardened? With that logic we should all have been exceptional in our work performance pre-CPAP and now we are just slackers on CPAP. When I went through 12 weeks of U.S.A.F. officer's training school (OTS), they required the cadets to get 6 hours of sleep in every 24, even though we were expected to fight a war 24/7 once we get out. We worked the better part of the next 18 hours either physically out on the field or mentally in the classroom. We also had the weekend to sleep in. I tend to think that if there was a terrorist attack, the adrenaline would kick in to take care of the long hours in an emergency. If you want to keep your doctors on their feet, get them into a running program at 4-6 miles a day to get their leg muscles and everything else in shape, like we did at OTS. I think the long hours is a "right of passage" initiation rather than anything steeped in logic.

Thank you for bringing this up. I thought the issue was over-exaggerated but apparently not. Now I know what to ask right before the next time a love-one or myself is going under the knife. In fact, I will ask for their answer in writing and signed.

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Post by M.D.Hosehead » Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:52 pm

BlackSpinner wrote:So would any of those doctors fly with a sleep deprived pilot?

My thoughts exactly, only you posted first. Offer the complainers a transatlantic flight with sleep-deprived pilots. The complainers who decline should shut their yaps.

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Post by robmax » Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:03 pm

Gosh, there are such a lot of doc-haters around here. The other side of the coin: "I'm sorry, Mr. Jones. I know I'm the only neurosurgeon around, but I can't operate on Mrs. Jones to save her from that suddenly-ruptured brain aneurysm. The government says I have to go home and get six hours of sleep. Maybe your podiatrist can do it for you."

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robmax wrote:Gosh, there are such a lot of doc-haters around here. The other side of the coin: "I'm sorry, Mr. Jones. I know I'm the only neurosurgeon around, but I can't operate on Mrs. Jones to save her from that suddenly-ruptured brain aneurysm. The government says I have to go home and get six hours of sleep. Maybe your podiatrist can do it for you."
It is called scheduling, hospitals and other large organizations do it all the time. If airlines can do it for pilots hospitals can do it for surgeons.

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robmax wrote:Gosh, there are such a lot of doc-haters around here. The other side of the coin: "I'm sorry, Mr. Jones. I know I'm the only neurosurgeon around, but I can't operate on Mrs. Jones to save her from that suddenly-ruptured brain aneurysm. The government says I have to go home and get six hours of sleep. Maybe your podiatrist can do it for you."
I'm no doc hater. I admit I was being sarcastic in pointing out the hypocrisy of those surgeons who defended the status quo. So sarcasm aside:

The article does not concern emergency procedures such as the scenrio you described.

If you track the references, you will get to this article:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1982 ... t=Abstract

where the researchers found a difference in complication rate of 3.4% vs 6.2% from elective procedures, depending upon whether the surgeon had more vs. less than 6 hours of "sleep opportunity."

This is not trivial IMO, particularly considering that most surgery is elective. I cannot respect the ethical stance of those doctors who don't want to admit that:

1. some doctors sometimes perform elective procedures when sleep-deprived,
2. the current system does not encourage self-policing, and
3. some patients are harmed as a result.

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M.D.Hosehead wrote:
BlackSpinner wrote:So would any of those doctors fly with a sleep deprived pilot?

My thoughts exactly, only you posted first. Offer the complainers a transatlantic flight with sleep-deprived pilots. The complainers who decline should shut their yaps.
at least most planes have an auto pilot feature along with having a copilot capable of flying the plane!!
does anyone have statistics as to dr mistakes/procedure as compared to plane crashes/flight???

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Post by BlackSpinner » Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:09 pm

I saw this article with references to other studies on sleep deprivation and over work on production and abilities

Crunch mode

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Update-Sleep Deprivation in Medical Caregivers Can Be Deadly

Post by mars » Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:35 pm

Hi Everybody

and here is an update -

you can login to Medscape News at -

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From Medscape Medical News - Neurology

Sleep Deprivation in Medical Caregivers Has Deadly Results

by Kate Johnson

June 21, 2011 (Minneapolis, Minnesota) — Sleep deprivation in physicians and nurses working extended-hour hospital shifts is compromising patient safety and increasing the risk for car crashes in both Canada and the United States, according to 2 studies presented here at SLEEP 2011: Associated Professional Sleep Societies 25th Annual Meeting .

"This situation is critical," said Diana McMillan, RN, PhD, from the Faculty of Nursing at the University of Manitoba in Winnipeg, Canada. "Nightshift work is fraught with both homeostatic and circadian challenge. It's a perfect storm."

"Twenty-four-hour shifts result in acute total sleep deprivation, and frequency of these shifts leads to chronic partial sleep deprivation," added Laura Barger, PhD, from Division of Sleep Medicine, Brigham and Women's Hospital, and Harvard Medical School, in Boston, Massachusetts.

Both presenters painted a dire picture of shift workers falling asleep on their drive home and during surgery.

Work-Hours Reform for All Residents?

In the Harvard Work Hours Health and Safety Study, a national Web-based survey, data from senior residents (postgraduate years 2 – 7) and 5 years of monthly surveys confirmed what earlier analysis already showed in first-year residents "that extended-duration work shifts post a safety hazard for resident physicians and the patients they care for, and this is true for all postgraduate years," said Dr. Barger.

New standards from the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education, expected to take effect next month (July 2011), will limit first-year residents' shifts to no more than 16 consecutive hours compared with the currently approved 30-hour shifts, she said.

"We believe that work-hours reform that eliminates extended-duration shifts should include all years of residency. We think this will improve safety for the residents themselves, the patients they care for, and for the other motorists on the road."

We believe that work-hours reform that eliminates extended-duration shifts should include all years of residency.

The new analysis of senior residents in the Harvard Work Hours Health and Safety Study included 1884 senior residents and approximately 19,000 monthly surveys asking about work hours, motor vehicle crashes and near misses, medical errors, and attentional failures.

Similar to earlier findings about interns, the analysis found that compared with senior residents who did not work extended hours (defined as 24 consecutive hours or more), those who did reported increased rates of motor vehicle crashes and near misses (odds ratio [OR], 1.72 and 5.03, respectively), an increase in attentional failure while driving (OR, 1.7), an increase in medical errors (OR, 3.5), adverse events resulting from medical errors (OR, 3.4), and fatalities resulting from medical errors (OR, 4..

"The evidence suggests that extended-duration work shifts pose a safety hazard for all resident physicians and the patients they care for, and this is true for all postgraduate years," she said.

Critical Nurse Shortage in Critical Care

The same scenario exists north of the border, where nurses struggle with the same challenges, said Dr. McMillan.

"Many critical care nurses are working the night shift and reporting symptoms indicative of significant homeostatic and circadian challenge," she reported.

In a similar Web-based survey of 536 critical care nurses (88% female; mean age, 42 years), from 11 Canadian provinces and territories, 32% "always" felt tired, she said.

The respondents worked primarily 12-hour shifts, on a day/night rotation, with 15% working only night shifts. Between 2 consecutive night shifts, 72% got 6 hours or less of daytime sleep, and 20% got 4 hours or less, she said.

"A large number indicated they were sleepy, sluggish, they felt irritable, forgetful, stressed, chilled, hungry, nauseated, and they also experienced considerable eyestrain."

One-quarter reported personal injury or near injury that was directly attributable to their fatigue, and 16% reported incidents or errors affecting patients that were directly attributable to their fatigue.

On their drive home, 43% reported having fallen asleep while stopped at a traffic light, 31% reported having fallen asleep while driving, and 20% reporting having had a motor vehicle crash or near miss.

"Some of the qualitative data about these accidents or near accidents are chilling," said Dr. McMillan. "They talked about being totally disoriented. They talked about looking up at the road and wondering where they were. They talked about frequently getting home and wondering how they got there."

Some of the qualitative data about these accidents or near accidents are chilling. They talked about being totally disoriented....They talked about frequently getting home and wondering how they got there.

The demands on the critical care nurses are also extremely high, she said. They must be mentally and emotionally engaged at all times and often have to make critical decisions rapidly.

"It's serious. We need to do something to change this — not only for critical care nurses but for all nurses," she said. "Although there is a considerable amount of evidence to suggest there are strategies out there that we can be implementing, the uptake is not good."

Complex Issues

Asked to comment on the presentations, Nancy S. Redeker, PhD, RN, professor and dean of scholarly affairs at Yale University School of Nursing, New Haven, Connecticut, said the issue is complex — and not just about regulations.

"There's been a lot of attention to this issue for medical residents, and that's clearly an issue, but nationwide there's a huge shortage of nurses, especially in hospitals and critical care settings, and so nurses are increasingly being pressed to work more than 1 shift," she told Medscape Medical News.

"Some nurses do it because they want to earn extra money, but most are getting pressure to do it — and in the case of residents they're doing it because they're trainees and they're required to do it," said Dr. Redeker, who is the current editor-in-chief of Heart & Lung: The Journal of Acute and Critical Care.

"It's an occupational health issue because we know that shift work and sleep deprivation lead to personal health issues for these individuals — but it's obviously a patient safety issue too."

Dr. Barger has disclosed no relevant financial relationships. Dr. McMillan disclosed that she offers private sleep health consultation to clients with sleep health problems. However, any advice she gives to professional organizations is offered free of charge. Dr. Redeker has disclosed no relevant financial relationships

SLEEP 2011: Associated Professional Sleep Societies 25th Annual Meeting: Abstracts O977 and O978. Presented June 15, 2011.

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On their drive home, 43% reported having fallen asleep while stopped at a traffic light, 31% reported having fallen asleep while driving, and 20% reporting having had a motor vehicle crash or near miss.


Wow
but it's obviously a patient safety issue too


Well, they got that one right, but are they going to do anything about it ? And how can they without training a lot more Doctors and Nurses, and paying them. Obviously - rescheduling will not solve the problem

Mars
Last edited by mars on Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.
for an an easier, cheaper and travel-easy sleep apnea treatment :D

http://www.cpaptalk.com/viewtopic/t7020 ... rapy-.html

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Re: Update-Sleep Deprivation in Medical Caregivers Can Be Deadly

Post by Julie » Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:52 pm

This has come up over and over, and over every few years one way or another, especially about interns, and people make a big fuss and say they'll change schedules, but in the end nothing seems to change much.... just as with pilots who work double shifts all the time and get paid surprisingly little for what they do.