General Discussion on any topic relating to CPAP and/or Sleep Apnea.
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roster
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by roster » Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:46 am
A good review of the scam called Buteyko Breathing Technique has been done by Science-Based Medicine at
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=2550
Buteyko reminds me in many ways of D.D. Palmer. Starting from an erroneous observation, using flawed logic, lacking prior plausibility, forsaking scientific validation, and promoting their techniques as virtual panaceas, they each nevertheless may have found small medical niches where their techniques may have some limited utility. Palmer’s niche appears to be treatment of low-back pain, and for Buteyko, it may be the symptomatic relief of mild asthma symptoms.
If however, you are looking for the Buteyko Breathing Technique to cure your asthma, I wouldn’t hold my breath.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=2550
I found the article interesting - check it out.
Note one person's comments on the originators and mental illness.
I would be interested in reading a post about the psychology of the originators of pseudoscientific silliness. Whether Buteyko curing the world’s ills (or at least 150 of them) through slow breathing or Hahnemann’s homeopathy as the one true path, all seem as messianic as they are delusional. What is the pathology that allows them to displace demonstrable reality with their particular fantasies? More importantly, how are they able to to convince others that their alternate view of reality is correct despite all evidence to the contrary? Certainly this goes beyond lack of erudition and into the shadows of mental illness.
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by BlackSpinner » Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:04 pm
Thanks Rooster.
Yoga practitioners have been teaching breathing techniques for stress relief for millenniums. Which is exactly what this is.
Take a yoga class - not only will you learn to breath and meditate but you will get some exercise too. Two, Two for the price of One.
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by roster » Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:10 pm
BlackSpinner wrote:Take a yoga class - not only will you learn to breath and meditate but you will get some exercise too. Two, Two for the price of One.
Agreed.
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by chunkyfrog » Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:40 pm
The Russians, of course, will jump on anything that saves them money.
Not every 'revolutionary' therapy turns out as well as Radial Keratotomy.
No one solution works equally well for every patient.
BBT looks like something that is very dependent on individual ability.
I doubt if it would work well for anyone except a very few.
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by sagesteve » Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:44 pm
This is what I use to get my asthma under control and keep it that way:
http://powerbreathe.com/
I've had amazing results for sure, BUT....YOU HAVE TO DO IT!!! It's not easy, but it pays off. My wife uses the least resistance one and I use the medium. I'm 63 and she is 72. It has made a HUGE difference. Helped bring down my AHI to 0.3. We also live a mile up and it has helped with that. You can look around on the net for the ones available in America...they run about $74.00. (
http://www.smarter.com/---se--qq-powerb ... tml?mrkt=1) Again, the drawback is making yourself do it RELIGIOUSLY for 10 minutes a day, that's all it takes.
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roster
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by roster » Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:45 pm
sagesteve, I can believe that because the muscles are doing resistance work with the PowerBreathe.
I posted the link to the article about BBT because a dude was claiming in another thread that BBT can cure obstructive sleep apnea.
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by -SWS » Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:46 pm
roster wrote: I posted the link to the article about BBT because a dude was claiming in another thread that BBT can cure obstructive sleep apnea.
I was surprised to read that ludicrous claim in the other thread...
So far I've only had luck curing basic things like hang nails, hemorrhoids, dropsy, collywobbles, rhinotillexomania, dengue fever, the clap, and, of course, supernumerary nipple syndrome with Buteyko breathing. But apnea?
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by Sirca » Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:57 pm
-SWS wrote:roster wrote: I posted the link to the article about BBT because a dude was claiming in another thread that BBT can cure obstructive sleep apnea.
I was surprised to read that ludicrous claim in the other thread...
So far I've only had luck curing basic things like hang nails, hemorrhoids, dropsy, collywobbles, rhinotillexomania, dengue fever, the clap, and, of course, supernumerary nipple syndrome with Buteyko breathing. But apnea?
Powerbreathe works for trichotillomania.
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by chunkyfrog » Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:02 pm
What about "yoors"?
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by mreewh » Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:36 pm
This is a thoughtful essay related to this topic:
http://www.mcmanweb.com/darwinian_challenge.html
For what it's worth ... having spent most of my career in the medical device industry ... there's no shortage of wishful and magical thinking there, either. I'm all for folks challenging the status quo. But as the wet-blanket "quality person", I always wants to see the statistically significant, objective evidence
Marie
Severe OSA, diagnosed August 2009