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Re: SUFFOCATION IS POSSIBLE

Post by GumbyCT » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:10 pm

r1200c wrote:Hey Pdean44 You dont hear of people dying of cpap because they can't post!
LMfAO.....LOL I knew there was a reason LMAO.

And the have NO relatives either...In fact some have not yet been found.

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Re: SUFFOCATION IS POSSIBLE

Post by AirBreather » Sat Mar 20, 2010 3:56 pm

r1200c wrote:I purchased an alarm that plugs into the outlet and immediately souds an alarm if the power goes out. I've been a cpap user for about 10 months, and the thought of a power outage really messed with my mind. I'm cool with it now because I comfortable that i would awake even wothout the alarm.
I think a power-failure alarm is a good idea, even though as previously stated, I have never failed to wake-up immediately following the many power failures that have occurred over my 17-years of CPAP usage. However, rather than merely using an alarm, an even better option is to use a computer Uninterruptable Power Supply (UPS), because a typical computer UPS will power a 40-watt bed lamp more than ten-times longer than it will power a computer and a working bed-lamp could provide light to read by until power is restored. Wulfman previously suggested using a UPS to provide CPAP machine backup power. That also is a good idea. However, a UPS with enough electrical storage capacity to run a CPAP machine several hours is more expensive than a typical computer UPS.

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Re: SUFFOCATION IS POSSIBLE

Post by Wulfman » Sat Mar 20, 2010 4:49 pm

AirBreather wrote:
r1200c wrote:I purchased an alarm that plugs into the outlet and immediately souds an alarm if the power goes out. I've been a cpap user for about 10 months, and the thought of a power outage really messed with my mind. I'm cool with it now because I comfortable that i would awake even wothout the alarm.
I think a power-failure alarm is a good idea, even though as previously stated, I have never failed to wake-up immediately following the many power failures that have occurred over my 17-years of CPAP usage. However, rather than merely using an alarm, an even better option is to use a computer Uninterruptable Power Supply (UPS), because a typical computer UPS will power a 40-watt bed lamp more than ten-times longer than it will power a computer and a working bed-lamp could provide light to read by until power is restored. Wulfman previously suggested using a UPS to provide CPAP machine backup power. That also is a good idea. However, a UPS with enough electrical storage capacity to run a CPAP machine several hours is more expensive than a typical computer UPS.
I WAS referring to computer-type UPS devices. Most XPAPs (with the exception of some of the older Legacy model Respironics Bi-PAPs which are 24v.) have voltage converters in them and are actually running on DC (12 volt) power. They will (depending on the model), power a CPAP for quite some time. The primary purpose would be to alert the user that the power has been interrupted (and keep it running for the interim)......and most UPS devices generate an audible alarm when that occurs.


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Re: SUFFOCATION IS POSSIBLE

Post by AirBreather » Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:32 pm

I assumed that the power consumption of most XPAP's is higher than it apparently is without a humidifier. I just checked ResMed S8 AutoSet II technical specifications and the stated continuous power consumption without a humidifier is <39VA (20.7 Watts True-Power) at a pressure of 20 cm H2O. Based on that, the battery in a typical low-cost computer UPS would last a long time. However, ResMed warns that the S8 requires a sine-wave voltage source and to use only their extra-cost DC converter because of that, which rules-out using a low-cost computer UPS.

I have a 12-Volt DC power cable for my old REMstar Pro standby machine and could run it from a car battery in the event of a long-lasting commercial power failure, but it has never seemed worth the trouble to remove a car battery and bring it inside during a power failure or to sleep in the garage, which is another emergency option.

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Re: SUFFOCATION IS POSSIBLE

Post by Stormynights » Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:26 pm

My dog turned my machine off 6 times one night. Do you think she was trying to kill me? I put a little shelf over it the next day. I woke up every time and turned it back on but I was ready to commit dog abuse the next morning.

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Re: SUFFOCATION IS POSSIBLE

Post by nobody » Sun Mar 21, 2010 6:17 am

Julie wrote:The reason those 'disclaimers' (whether or not they call them that) are in the manual is so that you won't sue them in the event you're dumb enough to keep your mask on while suffocating
Or it could be for the case where someone is taking a drug to keep themselves asleep and would not be able to wake up if they were suffocating. I have been offered sleep drugs, most notable being XYREM, by a sleep doctor because early on in this therapy I complained of still being sleepy during the day even though I used the machine all night. Now he thought I had some other sleep disorder, but the problems have gone away since getting the pressure set right and getting leaks taken care of. I'll say again, thank goodness for this forum or who knows I might be dead. XYREM (which is GHB), seems quite dangerous to me. This is one scenario I can see someone being asleep under the influence of that drug, power goes out, they can't wake up and they suffocate. But, I'm sure this is the exception not the rule. Still, the manufacturer would want to warn people...even though most people are going to wake up if they're suffocating. The power has gone out here just once and it seemed to me that I woke up immediately rather than when suffocating. I still had the mask on and it seemed I could breathe just fine (I was using a quattro mask at the time). For the OP, I don't think you need to worry about it, man.

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Re: SUFFOCATION IS POSSIBLE

Post by death by CPAP » Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:34 pm

pdean44 wrote:I have not heard of a single death from cpap machines ever. So i would think the odds are pretty low anyone could ever die from using the equipment.

On the other hand i have heard of sleep apnea contributing to many deaths.
One person that I know of did die due to a power failure. It happened in Illinois roughly 12 years ago. What I heard from the DME supplier was that the guy had taped the asphyxiation valve with duct tape, not realizing that it was supposed to "leak" air. So technically it wasn't the mask or machines fault, it was the operators fault. ANo

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Re: SUFFOCATION IS POSSIBLE

Post by Really » Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:18 am

death by CPAP wrote:
pdean44 wrote:I have not heard of a single death from cpap machines ever. So i would think the odds are pretty low anyone could ever die from using the equipment.

On the other hand i have heard of sleep apnea contributing to many deaths.
One person that I know of did die due to a power failure. It happened in Illinois roughly 12 years ago. What I heard from the DME supplier was that the guy had taped the asphyxiation valve with duct tape, not realizing that it was supposed to "leak" air. So technically it wasn't the mask or machines fault, it was the operators fault. ANo
if you can believe anything your dme says. i tend to think its just another dme myth. Really
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