Rain Out

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Rain Out

Post by IsrvChrist » Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:40 pm

I know we all have it, and the cure to it is probably lying with the missing link, but how does one try and combat this problem? I tried a hose wrap, didn't work. Shorted hose, didn't work. Tried the hose both down, and now up, even turning down the humidifier to 1, and it is still there. Getting a new machine is out of the question until Jan. because my DME flat out refuses to work with me, and since it will be totally out of pocket I need to wait until the new flex spending year. It is hard to maintain both the temp and the humidity in the room, due to the fact it is a room in the "attic" the When I got a nose full of water today, I about had it with the heated humidity, but I really need it because of my asthma. Any help or ideas would be welcomed.

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Re: Rain Out

Post by Uncle_Bob » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:12 pm

You could try running a repti cable down the length of the tube, between the tube and the cover. These cables cost $15-$20 and can be purchased at most pet stores or amazon

http://www.amazon.com/Repti-Heat-Cable- ... 980&sr=8-1

Or you could spend $160 on an Aussie heated hose.

http://www.sleepzone.com.au/showitems.a ... PAP%20Tube

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Re: Rain Out

Post by physicsbob » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:27 pm

I have been using a Reptile heated hose for about 9 months it has eliminated my rainout problem. I used aluminum metal tape and taped it to the hose about every 8 to 10 inches and then used a hose cover over it. I would highly recommend you get a timer to go with it, to prevent it over heating the hose when it is left for a long time with no air flow.

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Re: Rain Out

Post by IsrvChrist » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:44 pm

physicsbob wrote:I have been using a Reptile heated hose for about 9 months it has eliminated my rainout problem. I used aluminum metal tape and taped it to the hose about every 8 to 10 inches and then used a hose cover over it. I would highly recommend you get a timer to go with it, to prevent it over heating the hose when it is left for a long time with no air flow.
I see in another post that you use a "push button timer" with yours. Where did you get it at? I am thinking about going to look at the heated strip this evening.

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Re: Rain Out

Post by roster » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:57 pm

IsrvChrist wrote:I know we all have it, and the cure to it is probably lying with the missing link, but how does one try and combat this problem? I tried a hose wrap, didn't work. Shorted hose, didn't work. Tried the hose both down, and now up, even turning down the humidifier to 1, and it is still there. Getting a new machine is out of the question until Jan. because my DME flat out refuses to work with me, and since it will be totally out of pocket I need to wait until the new flex spending year. It is hard to maintain both the temp and the humidity in the room, due to the fact it is a room in the "attic" the When I got a nose full of water today, I about had it with the heated humidity, but I really need it because of my asthma. Any help or ideas would be welcomed.
Careful about getting a new machine. It may solve nothing. You have a good machine and humidifier now.

What is the room air temperature and relative humidity in your bedroom?
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Re: Rain Out

Post by IsrvChrist » Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:01 pm

roster wrote:
Careful about getting a new machine. It may solve nothing. You have a good machine and humidifier now.

What is the room air temperature and relative humidity in your bedroom?
I am not sure, but I know the humidity tends to be rather high. We have our "small" window air conditioner set at 69 deg. F, so our room is usually about 75 or so.

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Re: Rain Out

Post by roster » Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:15 pm

Three things.

First, if the bedroom humidity is high (40% RH or higher) then you may not need any supplemental humidity. I don't put water in my tank until the central heat runs a lot in the winter and drives the RH below 35% or so.

Second, I am going to guess that you have your humidifier tank sitting above the level of your head. If you put it below the level of your head, the rainout is likely to run back into the humidifier tank and you won't be bothered by it.

Third, a hose cover is a good thing even if you don't have problems with rainout. The cover will muffle sounds of the hose and feels better against exposed skin.
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Re: Rain Out

Post by cflame1 » Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:38 pm

roster wrote:
IsrvChrist wrote:I know we all have it, and the cure to it is probably lying with the missing link, but how does one try and combat this problem? I tried a hose wrap, didn't work. Shorted hose, didn't work. Tried the hose both down, and now up, even turning down the humidifier to 1, and it is still there. Getting a new machine is out of the question until Jan. because my DME flat out refuses to work with me, and since it will be totally out of pocket I need to wait until the new flex spending year. It is hard to maintain both the temp and the humidity in the room, due to the fact it is a room in the "attic" the When I got a nose full of water today, I about had it with the heated humidity, but I really need it because of my asthma. Any help or ideas would be welcomed.
Careful about getting a new machine. It may solve nothing. You have a good machine and humidifier now.

What is the room air temperature and relative humidity in your bedroom?
Rooster... he's got an Escape... not what I'd call a "good" machine.

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Re: Rain Out

Post by roster » Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:14 pm

cflame1 wrote:
Rooster... he's got an Escape... not what I'd call a "good" machine.
Too bad. I was going by the new ResMed machine and humidifier he has in his profile. Tricky.
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Re: Rain Out

Post by Jaylee » Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:25 pm

I am also in an attic area and I do not turn my humidifier on at all. Could you try that? It works for me.

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Re: Rain Out

Post by IsrvChrist » Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:42 pm

roster wrote:
Too bad. I was going by the new ResMed machine and humidifier he has in his profile. Tricky.
I do have the one listed in my profile. The ResMed S8 Escape ii. It looks just like the Elite, but doesn't keep data. I was looking at the S9 with heated hose.

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Re: Rain Out

Post by IsrvChrist » Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:18 pm

IsrvChrist wrote:
physicsbob wrote:I have been using a Reptile heated hose for about 9 months it has eliminated my rainout problem. I used aluminum metal tape and taped it to the hose about every 8 to 10 inches and then used a hose cover over it. I would highly recommend you get a timer to go with it, to prevent it over heating the hose when it is left for a long time with no air flow.
I see in another post that you use a "push button timer" with yours. Where did you get it at? I am thinking about going to look at the heated strip this evening.
Image This is what I got for the timer as well as the Repti Heat Cable. We will see how tonight goes.

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Re: Rain Out

Post by el_zorro » Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:53 pm

I agree with the other posters about testing running without the humidifier in the summer. Since you live in Michigan ( I live here also ) you probably dont need humidification unless it doesnt rain for a while or you run your air conditioner on high or have a de-humidifier. You could start out turning it all of the way down to 1 first. You may need the repti or aussie heaters for next winter but for now you might want to just turn it down or off. The new RedMeds (S9s) have a new humidifier design with a integrated heated hose and the PR System Ones have a very good integrated humidifier design that has eliminated Rainout. But your S8 machine is a good machine, you just have to be careful about turning up the humidifier too high and may need a heated hose in the winter.

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Re: Rain Out

Post by STL Mark » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:00 pm

I've set my humidifier on 5 and my Resmed ClimateLine heated hose does fine in avoiding the problem. When you get a chance to replace your machine, consider something that comes with a heated hose option like Resmed S9 Autoset. It is serving me well.

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Re: Rain Out

Post by ozij » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:06 pm

There are two types of rainout:
Hose rainout
Mask rainout.

Both of course end up in your nose/on your face.

Mask rainout is a result of water condensing on the cold mask surface.
It is not affected by machine placement.
It happens far more when person uses a nasal pillows mask
It happens far more when your pressure is lower.
It is affected by the amount of humidity supplied by the humidifier.


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