BPA in Your CPAP is Killing You, Not

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BPA in Your CPAP is Killing You, Not

Post by roster » Sat May 01, 2010 10:52 am

Yet in July 2009, DART-IC determined that Bisphenol A (BPA), a major component in plastic products was safe and refused to classify it as a toxicant under California’s strict safe drinking laws.

BPA is a resin used in sports and baby bottles, shatterproof windows, medical devices and other consumer and commercial products. DART-IC’s decision was based on testimony as well as reports from the National Toxicology Program, the Environmental Protection Agency, the Centers for Disease Control, and investigative scientific bodies in Canada, Australia, Japan and the EU, all of which found BPA posed no threat.

Last year the Statistical Assessment Service (STATS) at Virginia’s George Mason University applied statistical methodology to the BPA story and found the media ignored all of the research that pointed to BPA’s safety.

Trial lawyers are already trolling for plaintiffs. In one Missouri case, the judge all but outright dismissed a BPA case even before trial. As trial lawyers cannot find a single damaged consumer, there are no injury claims. The basis of their case is “fraud and dishonest marketing.”

In the alternate universe that is the trial bar, BPA manufacturers and distributors are being sued for not adding warning labels that would say, in effect, “this product has been deemed safe by numerous government and scientific bodies but some special interest groups still don’t like it.”

Environmental extremists cannot abuse themselves of the false notion that BPA is harmful. They’ve created a political movement around it, raised money on it, and the trial bar has contributed heavily to that effort for obvious, self-serving reasons.

See also http://www.stats.org/stories/2009/Scien ... ly9_09.pdf
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Re: BPA in Your CPAP is Killing You

Post by Wulfman » Sat May 01, 2010 11:21 am

You had me going, Rooster.

When I first read the subject of this thread, I thought....."OH, NO, NOT AGAIN!!!"


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Re: BPA in Your CPAP is Killing You

Post by park_ridge_dave » Sat May 01, 2010 11:27 am

Wulfman wrote:You had me going, Rooster.

When I first read the subject of this thread, I thought....."OH, NO, NOT AGAIN!!!"


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Re: BPA in Your CPAP is Killing You

Post by Wulfman » Sat May 01, 2010 11:39 am

park_ridge_dave wrote:
Wulfman wrote:You had me going, Rooster.

When I first read the subject of this thread, I thought....."OH, NO, NOT AGAIN!!!"


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Re: BPA in Your CPAP is Killing You

Post by roster » Sat May 01, 2010 12:00 pm

Wulfman wrote:You had me going, Rooster.

When I first read the subject of this thread, I thought....."OH, NO, NOT AGAIN!!!"


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Again it will be. This one won't die. All my hiking buddies have discarded their plastic water bottles and bought stainless steel. Superstition still thrives in the 21st century.
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Re: BPA in Your CPAP is Killing You, Not

Post by BlackSpinner » Sat May 01, 2010 12:39 pm

roster wrote:..
However unlike "chemicals" used in food and drugs, the chemical and manufacturing industry doesn't have to prove that its products are safe. Instead the consumers or government have to prove it is unsafe, all the while the companies can hide behind patents and industrial secrets so that the testing becomes horrendously difficult and expensive. Also most products are tested singly and not in combination with other products. While each chemical leached from your water bottle may be safe for an adult male, mixed products for a developing/ growing baby is a totally different ball game.

Considering that the developed countries now have high rates of autism, ADHD, low sperm counts, asthma, allergies and OSA, maybe we should be being a lot more careful. Many effects of these kinds of chemicals don't show up for at least a generation. We could be destroying the health of our grandchildren.

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Post by DreamDiver » Sat May 01, 2010 2:03 pm

Just had to...

BPA Linked to...

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Post by roster » Sat May 01, 2010 7:02 pm

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Post by DreamDiver » Sat May 01, 2010 7:49 pm

roster wrote:Water Linked to...
Nah, that's just about stuff in the water - perhaps BPA, for instance...

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Re: BPA in Your CPAP is Killing You, Not

Post by MedH » Sat May 01, 2010 10:37 pm

BlackSpinner wrote:
Considering that the developed countries now have high rates of autism, ADHD, low sperm counts, asthma, allergies and OSA, maybe we should be being a lot more careful. Many effects of these kinds of chemicals don't show up for at least a generation. We could be destroying the health of our grandchildren.
So your saying that we should watch out for the BPA in the equipment used to treat OSA (I assume Obstructive Sleep Apnea, in the contect of the forum) because it might cause OSA?

Luck for me, my OSA is caused by my genetic muscle condition that was first discovered in the early to mid 1800s. So I can be sure it is not caused by BPA. Considering the Doctor also told me that my OSA gives me 5 times the chance of having a heart attack compared to the average person my age. I think I'll take the risk with BPA. Umm die of a heart attack at an early age, or get a skin rash. Difficult choice that one.

Ohh and I'm not even going to get into the problems with saying that there are higher rates of a list of diseases as if it is some kind of proof of cause and effect.

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Post by DreamDiver » Sun May 02, 2010 4:18 am

MedH wrote:...Luck for me, my OSA is caused by my genetic muscle condition that was first discovered in the early to mid 1800s. ...
BPA was first synthesized ironically in the 1800's. Yes, all flow generators and humidifiers and tanks are made with BPA. There is no changing that. We have to live with it whether we like it or not. Endocrine disruptors as a source of medical conditions is one thing we're ignoring because plastics are just too convenient -- especially for medical use.

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Post by roster » Sun May 02, 2010 5:14 am

MedH wrote: Luck for me, my OSA is caused by my genetic muscle condition that was first discovered in the early to mid 1800s.
Congratulations on such an extremely long life and welcome to the forum.
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Post by BlackSpinner » Sun May 02, 2010 9:04 am

MedH wrote: So your saying that we should watch out for the BPA in the equipment used to treat OSA (I assume Obstructive Sleep Apnea, in the contect of the forum) because it might cause OSA?

Ohh and I'm not even going to get into the problems with saying that there are higher rates of a list of diseases as if it is some kind of proof of cause and effect.

No I am saying that if you are young and exposed to BPA then any subsequent children (and other descendent's) may be more susceptible to that list. I wouldn't actually wait until it is medically proven without a doubt that certain chemical can raise the risk, I certainly didn't wait for direct proof of the effect of smoking on the lungs. And when they talk about the effects showing a generation or 2 down line it gets a bit late.

I guess us women are more aware of that what we put in our bodies can affect our children down the line. BPA probably won't kill you, it is what you pass down that is the biggest issue especially if you gene line is already compromised.

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Re: BPA in Your CPAP is Killing You, Not

Post by JohnBFisher » Sun May 02, 2010 12:50 pm

Rooster, sure it hurts a few of the more fragile types. You know the type. I'm talking about folks who are really impacted by the threat that BPA presents. It's not the BPA that does the damage. It's the anxiety of the BPA that does the real damage!

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