S9 SpO2 module - can anyone ask their rep what one ?

[manas]

I called ResMed's toll-free number (in SanDiego) and Tech Support told me:
a) the Oximeter Adapter (part 36940) is available in the US now; plenty of stock
b) the ApneaLink Oximetry Accessory Kit will work. Part 22304. I asked him why the ApneaLink kit will work because the new Oximeter Adapter uses a 3-pin connection. He said he has seen both parts (the old ApneaLink kit and the new S9 Adapter) and it will fit. So I looked at page 1 of http://www.resmed.com/us/assets/documen ... er_eng.pdf, and if I look closely at the ApneaLink device whoe picture is on page 1, it has the same 3 pin female plug as the one in the S9 Oximeter Adapter. If I order Part 22302, I will get the ApneaLink devide also, but if I have the S9 Oximeter Adapter, then all I need is Part 22304 and I shall be all set. The Kit comes with 3 single-use sensors, so I would have to buy a reusable sensor like Part 70413 (which looks like a Nonin part anyway).

Page 4 of the pdf above describes the kit:

ApneaLink Oximetry Accessories Kit
US and Latin America 22304
Canada 22308
1 Nonin XPOD oximeter
1 Sensor clip
3 Disposable Sensors

So I for one believe the mystery has been solved. Now I need to go talk to my DME. I suspect I can go dig further and see if the parts of the kit are XPOD: 1430055, sensir clip: 22306, disposable sensors: 22316, but it would make sense if it saves me some cash.

Manas

[ozij]

Re sme d product list, effective March 2010

Grab it as long as it's out in the open. File says "Co nfidential Ho me Car e Pro vider Pr oduct List"

[dsm]

Re sme d product list, effective March 2010

Grab it as long as it's out in the open. File says "Co nfidential Ho me Car e Pro vider Pr oduct List"

Ozij
That link takes me to a doc that can't be read - says it is an AIR doc ?

DSM

[ozij]

I've just checked again - the link leads me to a pdf doc. Don't know why it doesn't for you.
Could it be that your link defautls to Australia -New Zealand, instead of US?
O.

[Slinky]

I downloaded the pdf and e-mailed it to dsm, Ozij.

[dsm]

Tried again but no luck

But I have the file

Will explore later

Shalom

DSM

[scbeaver]

I just got back from a local DME. He called ResMed to get prices for me.
S9 Oximeter Adapter P/N 36940 $269
ApneaLink Qximetry Accessory Kit P/N 22304 $679
Reusable Sensor P/N 70413 $295

Ever hear of the Purple Shaft with Barbed wire cluster?

Sleep Well

Steve

[manas]

Wow, pretty darn expensive. Was going to ask the doc for a prescription on my next visit ... this may change what I ask for.

[Zzz_Jim]

The Resmed Apnealink brochure also shows a picture of a "Nonin Medical Model 3012 Xpod" on page 4. But you already knew that - this is just confirmation of the earlier thread. viewtopic/t50758/ResMed-S9-Oximeter-or- ... pters.html

But Nonin prices don't really look any better: http://63.134.192.29/cart/Details.cfm?P ... ategory=22 shows the 3012 as $625, or $695 complete kit (disposable sensor). And it looks like one might want to order an extension cable while you're at it.

So you really have to be desperate to go for a Nonin Oximeter instead of a cheaper CMS-50D+ or similar. Seems to me oximeter data is just a confirmation that your CPAP treatment isn't going well - and you'll already know that if you have a data capable S9, even without oximetry.

BTW, the 3012 uses the more complicated #2 data format described in their spec http://www.nonin.com/documents/Xpod%20S ... ations.pdf . It seems unlikely that anyone will be totally successful if they attempt to translate CMS data streams to Nonin format via an in-line microprocessor adapter, unless the S9 doesn't do anything with the PLETH waveform data.

Me, I'm still using a non-data capable machine - so what do I care?

[dsm]

Hmmm

Seems Resmed are killing this option off before it even gets off the ground !!!. Who would pay $269 for that S9 adapter even before buying the Nonin 3012 or 3212 ?.

Well, As I said earlier, I have 10 brand new Nonin 3012 units (each with 5 new disposable (but actually reuseable)) SpO2 probes plus I have 10 3212 units (which is the 3012 + a built-in re-useable adult probe). I wanted one of each but the seller was only selling in lots of 10 so I ended up with an excess qty.

As I have mentioned before the connector on these does not match the Reslink xpod nor the Apnea link. I have the color codes for the wires & know the pins that they need to go on. All I need is some plugs that will either plug into the Reslink or the S9 SpO2 adapter.

I will send anyone either a new xPod 3012 + 5 disposable probes (for $US 85 which includes postage costs to the US) or
a new Nonin 3212 (which has the integrated probe) ($US 125 which includes P&H to the US).

BUT, you will have to solve the problem of the plug ! - it has eluded me for the past 2 years but I live in an outpost of the empire whereas you folk in the US have access to all - I can provide all the wiring info needed.

If you are a Reslink user you would need the female Reslink 3-pin style plug, if an S9 user, you still need to buy that expensive S9 adapter plus need an Apnea Link style plug. There are pics of these posted higher up.

The best of all options is to get conversion cables made up somewhere in the US that have a socket at one end that takes the plugs on the 3212 & 3012 units I have (as in the pics earlier in this thread) and on the other end of the adapter cable have either the S9 compatible plug or the Reslink compatible plug. If someone can track down any company that is capable of making such adapter cables then that would really solve the problem.

PM me if interested - AGAIN, I would LOVE to get a supply of the required plugs !!! or be put in contact with a company that could make up some small adapter cables as described.

DSM

[Zzz_Jim]

DSM,

I frankly don't understand it - the Resmed Brochure shows a Nonin 3012 (but not the connector end). If Resmed used a custom or non-standard connector, how is the Nonin device still a model 3012? They would have to uniquely relabel the model number, else someone could order the wrong device as you apparently did!

Anyway, if you can find some connector pins of the correct diameter to fit into the Resmed socket, you can solder them onto the Nonin wires, and then glob over the wire end with some of that gook used for dental castings, or epoxy, or whatever. Just be gentle using it.

A few years ago Garmin GPS units used a custom molded 4-pin connector. Some enterprising soul on the net made mating connectors via the dental mold material method, when Garmin had delivery and price issues. So it's been done before.

Not having the connectors in front of me it's hard to make a guess as to the manufacturer. And sometimes they do a custom keyway or something to make it non-interchangeable with standard connectors (The Resmed pictures looks like there is a tab sticking out of the side for this purpose.) The Nonin brochure pics looks like a metal Lemo style connector, but the Resmed end looks more like a plastic Hirose, or maybe Turck. Lemo's typically have some engraving on them, that might help identify that end.

[dsm]

Re the model #

Nonin sell them as OEM units as well as in their own right.

The connector on the xPods & iPods I have are the same (see Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:50 pm post with pics).

The dental mould idea is ok for a test but not anything I'd be willing to supply a non-tech person. I made up
several cables & have a Nonin test unit for testing the xPod & iPod.

The best way is to eventually locat a company that can make up the required cables but as we can already see,
S9 users requires a different set of connectors to reslink users.

If Resmed set out to make this difficult they succeeded greatly. Just look at how many posts it took here to
try to explain the complexities & variations. All for 1 little ole SpO2 unit.

Still smiling

DSM

DSM

[DreamDiver]

... If Resmed set out to make this difficult they succeeded greatly. Just look at how many posts it took here to
try to explain the complexities & variations. All for 1 little ole SpO2 unit. ...

I'm going to see if I can at least get the ResLink P/N 36940.
Are we certain the Nonin Xpod 3012 has been adapted to a proprietary connector for the S9 ResLink?
To sum, this is what I understand so far: Get the S9 reslink, the Nellcor sensor and if it will work,
the 3012 xpod, again if it will work.

The ResMed Reuseable Sensor Part Number is not for the Nellcor.
I suspect it is a reuesable Nonin 7000A tape-wrap model, but cannot be sure.
I'd rather buy the Nellcor if it will fit with the Xpod and work with the S9 Reslink.

DSM, do you have an image of the XPod 3012 connector
not from ResMed so we can verify the connector type?
Edit: Oops. I see it from a previous post in this thread. Sorry.

[Zzz_Jim]

Why couldn't they use a simple DB-9, or USB or something? Those darn patient isolation rules! They have to use a connector that a layperson can't buy at Radio Shack or Dick Smith!

[dsm]

I'm going to see if I can at least get the ResLink P/N 36940.
Are we certain the Nonin Xpod 3012 has been adapted to a proprietary connector for the S9 ResLink?
To sum, this is what I understand so far: Get the S9 reslink, the Nellcor sensor and if it will work,
the 3012 xpod, again if it will work.

Just to help with terminology....

The ResLink is a module that attaches to an S7, S8 or Vpap. There were 2 models 'ResLink & S8 Reslink'
The Nonin 3012 xPod plus an SpO2 probe, both plug into each other & the xPod part plugs into the Reslink.

For the S9 there is no thing called a ResLink it requires an SpO2 Oximetery adapter (which effectively
replaces the ResLink) - into that adapter plus an xPod & probe BUT, the connector is different from the ResLink.
Manas (I think) pointed out that the Apnea LInk has the same connector and that he contacted Resmed who told him
there was an adapter cable that allowed the original xPod (that I presume plugs into the Reslink) to plug into the S9
adapter.

I have seen enough documentation now to know that the Nonin 3012 remains the base unit. (thanks to everyone
who sent me info).

The confusion now is around just which Nonin xPod connector is needed.

Is there a new xPod 3012 with the new S9 plug as well as the original ResLink xPod with its 3-pin male plug.

Isn't this such fun

DSM


PS DD that diag is correct (except for calling the S9 adapter a Reslink) & we also need a similar diag with a different version of that final cable for the ResLink (with its variation of socket).

PPS DD
To see the 2 types of final connectors (Reslink & S9 Adapter) see the post you did on Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:53 pm

D