It's SleepWeaver--not DreamWeaver

[KatieW]

ETA: I had the name of the mask wrong--its SleepWeaver, not DreamWeaver. No wonder I couldn't find anything in the search engine. Does anyone have experience/information with adjusting the new SleepWeaver?

I really wanted to like this mask.

https://www.cpap.com/productpage/circad ... dgear.html

Since there is a 30 day guarantee, I figured "what do I have to lose?" It's incredibly light weight, but I haven't been able to adjust it so I don't have leaks. It's ok sitting up, but once I lie down, it leaks like a sieve. I think maybe the headset is too big for me, and the bottom straps come down too far on my face to be effective. Have tried various headband positions. Will play with it for a few more days, before returning it.

Anyone have this mask? Like it? Any suggestions?

[KatieW]

bumping

[mhurley3]

Katie, I don't use the SleepWeaver mask but my suggestion is to adjust the straps while you are lying down. That's true of any mask. Everything shifts when you lie down, so it's best to make your adjustments in that position.

[TXLadybug]

Where is it leaking? Have you watched the fitting videos they have available? Is it near the mouth or the eyes?

I have trouble with it leaking around the eyes, but I really like the way it feels overall.

[KatieW]

Where is it leaking? Have you watched the fitting videos they have available? Is it near the mouth or the eyes?

I have trouble with it leaking around the eyes, but I really like the way it feels overall.

It leaks mostly around the mouth. I haven't watched the fitting video, but will do so today. Thanks!

[KatieW]

Katie, I don't use the SleepWeaver mask but my suggestion is to adjust the straps while you are lying down. That's true of any mask. Everything shifts when you lie down, so it's best to make your adjustments in that position.

I did adjust the straps while lying down, but still couldn't "get it right". Will try again during the daytime, when I'm smarter.

[Autopapdude]

Yes, Dreamweaver is Adobe's Web design software.

[KatieW]

I give up. I watched the video several times, and re-read the fitting guide. I had my husband check how it looked, and he could see that the headpiece is just too big for my head, so the bottom straps come down too far on my face, and there are gaps on both sides, which are at an angle, so cannot be tightened.

It might fit others just fine though. I guess one-size-fits-most, but not-all.

I called cpap.com, they gave me a return number, and I just sent it back for a full refund.

On a happy note though, I just got my Headrest today, and I think it's a winner. The headgear fits me fine, and I might not even have to lab rat it.

[TXLadybug]

Hope this one works well for you!

[DreamOn]

On a happy note though, I just got my Headrest today, and I think it's a winner. The headgear fits me fine, and I might not even have to lab rat it.

Yay!

[BigNortherner]

Sleepweaver’s novel feature seems to be extensive use of soft cloth as the seal against the skin, but unfortunately much of their sales and promotion effort is vague, glib, and similar to the competition’s.

(Their pressure claims seem quite similar to makers who have a thin inward-folded cushion, for example their “How it Works/The Science...” The statement “The pressure inside the mask is the same at all points.” is irrelevant – by basic physics it must be, as “inside the mask” is only air which equalizes easily in any design. They may well mean that this mask has more equal pressure against the skin, because it apparently is not constrained by the shape of a large shell and limited seal depth, but that’s not what they say. Do marketing weenies every get people with solid technical understanding to vet their verbiage?)

I don’t see details of how it fits over the nose, perhaps this mask is more adaptable (the only diagram I’ve seen suggest it fits lower on the nose than many masks but not as low as ComfortCurve and similar which are “end of the nose” designs.
What is the supposed advantage of this design? Reading between the lines of the brief description it is fabric-covered flexible bladder material that is claimed to adapt well to different shapes and sizes, some literature uses the term “bladder” while other literature claims it is all cloth (nonsense – it has a rigid part the hose attaches to). Also the cloth feels better on the face and is easier on the face they claim – there is nice micro-fiber cloth available but they don’t detail how soft their cloth is (actually the FAQ page says it is the material used to make winter ski clothing – but which side of the clothing? their press release calls it “elastic cloth”).

And they claim low noise – is that achieved by diffusing through an area of cloth not covered by the rubbery material? (Actually their “How it Works/The Science...” shows a rigid chamber – at some point a hose connection is of course needed.)
The headgear looks very good for staying on the head, as it goes around the ears low on the head, and they claim adaptability against side force which is a major problem for people who sleep on their side.

However it appears to be bottom-feed only, whereas people who move around during sleeping need over-the-head hose routing.

They also claim low weight and small folded size, which are good attributes.
David Groll claims they listened to users, which is very commendable (though some manufacturers who also say that did not listen well enough).

But here’s yet another maker who does not provide an adequate range of sizes – I don’t understand that mentality, in the sea of products why limit sales and risk negative recommendations? (Note that cpap.com’s writeup claims fits smaller faces but then quotes someone who said it was too large, probably the headgear lacks adequate adjustment for small heads.)

Yet another inaccurate sales writeup – claims it is ‘composed of cloth material”, but all cloth I know of does not hold air so it must have rubbery material inside (which does not need to be thick as the cloth will take the stress). And the supposed explanation on Sleepweaver’s web site of how it works is the same as of other manufacturers who have a flexible seal.
So it sounds very promising but the maker has not explained it well enough, and some of their glib claims and sloppy literature make me wary. If I’d known it would be at the Seattle 2009 conference I’d have attended.

There are many products out there, some with innovative features ruined by poor design of basic apects (ADAMS has good pillow but bad headgear) or a fundamental shortcoming of the feature (how to keep ComfortCurve and its similar competitor from sliding up and blocking your nostrils?) - sellers need to assure potential customers that they’ve really got their act together.

[TXLadybug]

Hi, Big Northerner! I'm not a representative of the manufacturer in any way, shape, or form, but will try to answer as many of your questions/comments as well as I can from a user's perspective. I too, was extremely skeptical of this mask, and found the detail lacking in the information available online. However, after owning one, I can also understand how it is very difficult to describe certain things about this mask without holding it in your hands...

Sleepweaver’s novel feature seems to be extensive use of soft cloth as the seal against the skin, but unfortunately much of their sales and promotion effort is vague, glib, and similar to the competition’s.

(Their pressure claims seem quite similar to makers who have a thin inward-folded cushion, for example their “How it Works/The Science...” The statement “The pressure inside the mask is the same at all points.” is irrelevant – by basic physics it must be, as “inside the mask” is only air which equalizes easily in any design. They may well mean that this mask has more equal pressure against the skin, because it apparently is not constrained by the shape of a large shell and limited seal depth, but that’s not what they say. Do marketing weenies every get people with solid technical understanding to vet their verbiage?) I think that while you and I may understand the basic physics of equalized pressure, others may prefer a simpler confirmation that the pressure is not uncomfortable inside the mask against the skin. My guess is that this is probably what was trying to be communicated.

I don’t see details of how it fits over the nose, perhaps this mask is more adaptable (the only diagram I’ve seen suggest it fits lower on the nose than many masks but not as low as ComfortCurve and similar which are “end of the nose” designs. Again, without some type of x-ray type diagram, it's hard to understand how this fits, but I'll do my best. The inside of the mask has a triangular shaped hole in it with extra stretchy, extremely thin cloth. It isn't coated with anything, but it slightly different than the rest of the fabric. You press your nose into the hole, an the fabric stretches when the air is turned on, to help form a seal. This piece of estra stretchy fabric is the backside of the area of the mask where you nose wilnose and nostrils will reside and the air causes it to stretch to fit and seal.


What is the supposed advantage of this design? Reading between the lines of the brief description it is fabric-covered flexible bladder material that is claimed to adapt well to different shapes and sizes, some literature uses the term “bladder” while other literature claims it is all cloth (nonsense – it has a rigid part the hose attaches to). Also the cloth feels better on the face and is easier on the face they claim – there is nice micro-fiber cloth available but they don’t detail how soft their cloth is (actually the FAQ page says it is the material used to make winter ski clothing – but which side of the clothing? their press release calls it “elastic cloth”). /The main advantage of this mask is the lack of weight , the lack of plastic and silicone that touches your face, the lack of pressure some masks put on the bridge of the nose, causing pain and sores, and the ability to sleep in different positions without having to sleep on a piece of hard plastic. The air is held inside the fabric itself, not a fabric covered bladdedder. I can only explain the ability of the fabric to retain the air, by the exceptionally small weave of the fabric. I would liken it to the the thickness and texture of windbreak jackets, but with the softness of microfiber. On the front of the mask, are some sbarely visible holes, placed in a pattern across the material, that are the air venting holes. The air disperses very quietly and not in a manner that disturbes someone close to you. YOu are correct in that there is plactic connector that is used to connect the hose to your cpap machine, but it does not touch the skin. The seal of the mask is just below the nostrils. The is still a part that is inflated that sticks out slightly from your mouth and that's where the plastic connector resides. I also prefer my hose above my head/ across my pillow, but all I do ,s drape it to the side then up over my head. No problems with air supply beging cut off.

And they claim low noise – is that achieved by diffusing through an area of cloth not covered by the rubbery material? (Actually their “How it Works/The Science...” shows a rigid chamber – at some point a hose connection is of course needed.)
The headgear looks very good for staying on the head, as it goes around the ears low on the head, and they claim adaptability against side force which is a major problem for people who sleep on their side. Already covered the air venting above. The headgear is almost identical to every other headgear I have. It does fit well.

However it appears to be bottom-feed only, whereas people who move around during sleeping need over-the-head hose routing. Covered earlier.

They also claim low weight and small folded size, which are good attributes.
David Groll claims they listened to users, which is very commendable (though some manufacturers who also say that did not listen well enough).

But here’s yet another maker who does not provide an adequate range of sizes – I don’t understand that mentality, in the sea of products why limit sales and risk negative recommendations? (Note that cpap.com’s writeup claims fits smaller faces but then quotes someone who said it was too large, probably the headgear lacks adequate adjustment for small heads.)

Yet another inaccurate sales writeup – claims it is ‘composed of cloth material”, but all cloth I know of does not hold air so it must have rubbery material inside (which does not need to be thick as the cloth will take the stress). And the supposed explanation on Sleepweaver’s web site of how it works is the same as of other manufacturers who have a flexible seal.
So it sounds very promising but the maker has not explained it well enough, and some of their glib claims and sloppy literature make me wary. If I’d known it would be at the Seattle 2009 conference I’d have attended.

There are many products out there, some with innovative features ruined by poor design of basic apects (ADAMS has good pillow but bad headgear) or a fundamental shortcoming of the feature (how to keep ComfortCurve and its similar competitor from sliding up and blocking your nostrils?) - sellers need to assure potential customers that they’ve really got their act together.

[BigNortherner]

Thanks for your thoughtful reply and trying to describe how it fits against the skin.

It sounds much like the typical dual-cushion designs already available for a few years– a soft seal inside, firmer material outside, except that the seals are fabric not silicone or such flexible material. It also apparently does not need a conventional plastic carrier for the seal – the typical dual-cushion designs already available cannot accommodate enough facial variation without excessive pressure from areas of the seals that are fully compressed by the rigid carrier because it is not fitted to the individual's face.

It is the pressure of the mask against the skin that counts for both comfort and sealing. Why don’t they say it that simply? (The air inside just works on the seal to press it against your skin, all masks have equal air pressure. My overall point is that their description does not differentiate their product from existing products – which is crucial to sales.)

So again it seems the product’s advantages are:
- it is quite adaptable to the face without excessive pressure from the mask
- it uses special fabric for its seals, which feels better against the skin
Job 1 is to seal well without excessive pressure.
But it is up to the seller to communicate adequately to potential customers so they can take the risk of getting another incomplete product design.
Unfortunately Cadiance’s marketing people talk like their competitors – which the CEO came from - they should get straight-talking people from another industry.

[ef]

yes I have used both and the only thing I do not like is the strap that goes strap up your forhead to the top of your head ..it is tin and moves around alot...if they could come up with something to the side instead of over the top it would be better.

The maks itself...I love it! I cannot stand the bulky awful cpap masks and I have tried every single type there is. the nasal fabric mask is the best ...I liked the full mouth and nasal one too but there was much more air leakage. neither one really "seal" as such around the eyes but I just fall asleep with my fingers on the bridge of my nose to hold it down and it gets me to sleep. the other masks I fight too much to ever sleep.

and the people at Circadiance are amazing to deal with ...love them and their masks. I am sure they will get better with time and they are on the right track.

[greyhound]

My sleep doctor has a weekly mask clinic in which a DME is available for mask testing and fitting. I tested the SleepWeaver yesterday and, even though I've had excellent experience with my Swift LT, I liked the SleepWeaver very much. I didn't experience any significant leaks while on my back or when turning over to each side. Next time I'm due for a mask, I plan on giving it a try.