Anyone else heard about ResMed stopping Internet sales?

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Re: Anyone else heard about ResMed stopping Internet sales?

Post by Kiralynx » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:49 pm

Guest wrote:Internet retailers just throw stuff in a box and ship to you. Yeah, yeah, they provide phone support. Great. I want to see an internet retailer perform a mask fitting or read a data card. I'd like to see an internet retailer monitor your therapy and periodically check in with you.
Actually, I'd like to see my B&M DME perform a mask fitting or read a data card.

See, I found this Forum before I'd even had a sleep test. I was looking for information on emergency power for my CPAPer brother-in-law who was without power in Ohio because of Hurricane Ike. I came back to research when I was scheduled for my own test. And by the time of my titration, I knew enough to call the sleep center and schedule an appointment with their mask specialist so that my titration would be done with a mask at least partially reasonable for me. THAT mask specialist is the only one who ever had me lie down and try the mask under mild pressure.

In fairness, the RRT at the DME helped me get the correct machine for me -- a Bipap Auto SV. This was done after reading my sleep studies and talking to me on the phone -- nothing in person.

Beyond that -- I had to go out and pick up the machine. The mask ordered was the one I found with the help of the sleep center. The next day, I had to call and find out how to turn the alarms on the thing off -- I had no trouble sleeping, but the dozen and one alarms woke me more frequently than the apneas and hypopneas. She walked me through it in the phone. So basically, she and the B&M DME have done nothing that an Internet DME could not do.

When I needed a full face mask because of illness, the B&M had to order it, and it took 5-7 business days to come in. My online DME got one to me within 17 hours of my order.
Guest wrote:DMEs aren't perfect - BUT THEN AGAIN...why do people on here think that DMEs are responsible for YOUR health? They're simply not.
I don't. However, the B&M DME made it clear that they wouldn't help me get software and card reader -- that came from online. (I was told that the only thing which mattered was how many hours I used it.) The B&M has messed up hose replacements and pillows replacements, making it less of a hassle to pay out of pocket than to use my insurance to cover it.

If not for this Forum, I would have been a CPAP dropout... because the B&M DME has given me ZERO, ZIP, NADA, in the way of education. And my B&M DME is a large national chain. My insurance won't deal with the small accredited locals.

Because of this on-line Forum, I am an educated Bipap user, with excellent results. I have 24 hour a day, 7 day a week support from experts in using xPAP and in xPAP problem solving. No B&M DME, in my opinion, can match that.

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Re: Anyone else heard about ResMed stopping Internet sales?

Post by Kiralynx » Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:09 pm

Guest wrote: I visit these sites in hopes of learning a better way to accomplish greater compliance. Any tricks of the trade are greatly appreciated.
Then you're far better than the average DME.

Though actually, what you should be looking for is not mere compliance, but EFFECTIVE therapy. If therapy is effective, people are more willing to go through whatever it takes to use their machines. If it is not effective, they see no reason to put up with the hassle.

My Bipap Auto SV was set according to directions -- but those settings were wrong for me. After observing what was going on, in my sleep patterns and in the daily details I downloaded every morning with my on-line purchased software and card reader, I called the RRT at the B&M DME and explained my conclusions. She thought about it, decided I was right, and contacted my doctor for a prescription revision. Then she telephoned me and walked me through resetting my pressures.

Without education and peer support from this Forum, I would not have known to do this: I would only have known that my therapy was not working.

However, you're quite right that there are some on-line CPAP resellers (notice I don't call them DMEs) who are lice.

Kinda looks like Sturgeon's Law* applies to both B&M and online.

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_Law

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Re: Anyone else heard about ResMed stopping Internet sales?

Post by Slinky » Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:56 pm

In the dim recesses of my beady ole mind didn't I read that cpap.com DOES offer a free connection or data download for one of the less popular, less well-known brands of CPAP? I don't mean to infer lesser quality just a smaller manufacturer, not one of the two leaders.

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Re: Anyone else heard about ResMed stopping Internet sales?

Post by ozij » Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:48 pm

My question must have been missed too: Can anyone provide the link to where Mr. Ben-Dov allowed us to PM him?

O.

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Re: Anyone else heard about ResMed stopping Internet sales?

Post by drj130 » Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:07 pm

ozij wrote:My question must have been missed too: Can anyone provide the link to where Mr. Ben-Dov allowed us to PM him?

O.
I think that they're talking about the PM button from where he joined the forum. His first and only message is on page 3.

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Post by BlackSpinner » Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:08 pm

ozij wrote:My question must have been missed too: Can anyone provide the link to where Mr. Ben-Dov allowed us to PM him?

O.
Go back to the original post and the little PM button is there under the avatar - if you are allowed PM's - which I believe you can after registering and having behaved yourself for a certain lentgh of time.

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Re: Anyone else heard about ResMed stopping Internet sales?

Post by rested gal » Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:14 pm

Slinky wrote:I'm sure he'll get back to us in due time.
In the inimitable manner of Slinky... I can't help but emit a tiny *SNORT!!!!*

P.S. I, for one, haven't sent him any PM's. I'm very patient.
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Post by ozij » Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:26 pm

BlackSpinner wrote:
ozij wrote:My question must have been missed too: Can anyone provide the link to where Mr. Ben-Dov allowed us to PM him?

O.
Go back to the original post and the little PM button is there under the avatar - if you are allowed PM's - which I believe you can after registering and having behaved yourself for a certain lentgh of time.
Oh, I didn't realize that's the kind of permission Slinky meant.
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Slinky wrote:I'm sure he'll get back to us in due time.
In the inimitable manner of Slinky... I can't help but emit a tiny *SNORT!!!!*

P.S. I, for one, haven't sent him any PM's. I'm very patient.

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Re: Anyone else heard about ResMed stopping Internet sales?

Post by Pugsy » Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:31 am

rested gal wrote: Slinky wrote:I'm sure he'll get back to us in due time.



In the inimitable manner of Slinky... I can't help but emit a tiny *SNORT!!!!*
I believe I will have to add my "snort" to RestedGal.

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Re: Anyone else heard about ResMed stopping Internet sales?

Post by Slinky » Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:15 am

Well, whenever I have contacted Resmed via regular methods they've always been responsive and helpful. Even the problem I am havng w/the VPAP Auto in Spontaneous mode they had their local Rep contact me and work w/me on it.

Of course, given the type of response some of our forum members use towards the pros who come here - it may well have been a big mistake for Mr Ben-Dov to allow PMs. He could have received some rather belligerent PMs and decided to write this forum off.

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Re: Anyone else heard about ResMed stopping Internet sales?

Post by ozij » Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:43 am

My turn now:
Snort!!!!!

A Resmed VP is no shrinking violet, and will not miss the chance to inform Canadians how Resmed's new policy improves their customer experience.

He'd loose his job in marketing if he let himself be derailed like that.
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Re: Anyone else heard about ResMed stopping Internet sales?

Post by carbonman » Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:30 am

WOW....I think you guys...on both ends of the communication scale are smok'en 'sump'n.
I can't believe the guy made an apperance at all....and doubt seriously that
he could give a hang about this little band of rebels.
At the end of the board meeting, it's all about bottom line sales numbers...
not compliance numbers. Whether they are used or end up in the closet....
they are still sales numbers.

ozij wrote:My turn now:
Snort!!!!!

A Resmed VP is no shrinking violet, and will not miss the chance to inform Canadians how Resmed's new policy improves their customer experience.

He'd loose his job in marketing if he let himself be derailed like that.
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Post by carbonman » Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:33 am

.............and, did I miss it......

has an explanation, from anyone, been given to explain the new policy???
"If your therapy is improving your health but you're not doing anything
to see or feel those changes, you'll never know what you're capable of."
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Post by elg5cats » Sat Sep 26, 2009 9:12 am

carbonman wrote:.............and, did I miss it......

has an explanation, from anyone, been given to explain the new policy???

Umm, is it possible the "new policy" could reflect thinking such as:
Product X sales in Sarah Palin's homeland of Alaska for $2,200
Product X sales from carbonman's vacation home in Colorado for $820
as Product X sales manager, you lose $1380 in profits
if Sarah Palin orders product X from Carbonman's vacation land.
It must be best for Sarah Palin to get Product X locally so she gets the best service.
It's all about the customer, right??????


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Re: Anyone else heard about ResMed stopping Internet sales?

Post by roster » Sat Sep 26, 2009 9:20 am

elg5cats wrote:
carbonman wrote:.............and, did I miss it......

has an explanation, from anyone, been given to explain the new policy???

Umm, is it possible the "new policy" could reflect thinking such as:
Product X sales in Sarah Palin's homeland of Alaska for $2,200
Product X sales from carbonman's vacation home in Colorado for $820
as Product X sales manager, you lose $1380 in profits
if Sarah Palin orders product X from Carbonman's vacation land.
It must be best for Sarah Palin to get Product X locally so she gets the best service.
It's all about the customer, right??????


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