Selling fingertip pulse oximeter in good price from CHINA

[dsm]

Having done a bit of research on the company BestMed & having lived close by for 3 years (in HK). I now am certain damjass is from HK - the HK Chinese are a pretty unique lot. The majority of long term HK people speak fluent English as does damjass. The thoughtless insults posted here would not have been missed by him. The Factory is in ShenZhen which is a Special Economic Zone adjacent to HK & where nearly all HK manufacturing shifted to in the 1990s. By the 2000s many of the former factory suburbs of HK had been redeveloped & highrise accommodation put where the old sweatshops used to be. Damjass will most certainly be Cantonese as ShenZhen is part of Guang-dong (Can-ton) province. I found working with Cantonese to be among my very happy and memorable experiences. They are hard working & by all my measures were a very honest & respectful people. In many years of working throughout the whole asia pacific region (Korea to India to Indonesia to Japan & in between) I really got to like the Cantonese people. But enough of that. We here will be what we are for better or worse.

DSM

I did get some pricing for the units ...

BM-505 USD 850/set
BM-507 USD 950/set
BM-508 USD 1200/set
ETCO2 USD 1900/unit.

[mars]

[quote="dsm"]Having done a bit of research on the company BestMed & having lived close by for 3 years (in HK). I now am certain damjass is from HK - the HK Chinese are a pretty unique lot. The majority of long term HK people speak fluent English as does damjass. The thoughtless insults posted here would not have been missed by him.

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It seems to me that those criticizing me have somehow missed the train of events, So lets try again.

I had just come from the PETA website, which was about a very disturbing animal cruelty practice happening in China. I had just bought an oximeter from China, and said I now regretted buying this from China. An expression of how I felt at that moment in time.

So far no problem.

Damjass obviously has gone to the site. He then tries to sell me veterinary equipment. He ignores my obvious distaste at what I saw at the site.

So who is being thoughtless now.

I responded emotionally, and I do not regret that. DSM confirms my opinion that Damjass knows English well enough to have understood both my original post and the website.

DSM seems to be trying to make this into a China thing. It is not, I would have responded the same no matter what country was involved. I have no doubt that Damjass is a genuine (possibly Hong Kong based) businessman. I too know the Cantonese very well, having lived with them for 2 years. This is not about race, and I strongly object to anyone trying to make out about race.

It was a mixture of me being overemotional and being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and Damjass choosing to ignore the content of my original post, and me possibly misunderstanding his motives.

I have apologised should that have been the case.

And finally, cruelty in one country, even my own, does not excuse cruelty in any other country.

I hope everyone understands this, but I am not responsible for other peoples misinterpretations, only my own.

Mars

[dsm]

Mars,

Don't make yourself a target - there were a lot of thoughtless comments made outside your post.
Let it pass

Also, Damjass is actually a ShenZhen native which makes his English achievements even better as
HK residents were taught English as a primary language & Gungdong people had to learn it as a
specialty.

I discussed with him the spellings etc: on their web page & he acknowledges that their English needs
polishing & also in regard to 'Fetal' Doppler, that they had used a supplied industry dictionary to
determine the spelling. One thing we outside Asia don't always grasp is the relevance of phonetics
in converting languages - The Japanese word for Coffee Ka-Fe when copied from the Katakana symbols
is actually identified as having come from an American accent as a British speaker would say Ko-Fe
which uses a different katakana symbol. Point being that when reading Katakana, it is often easy to
recognise the nationality (or where the learned English) of the person from who the word(s) were
transcribed from. So we need to be midful of the complexity for Asians of transcribing our accents
and then trying to spell them.

DSM

[elg5cats]

It seems to me that those criticizing me have somehow missed the train of events, So lets try again.

I have to agree damjass does not present himself in a squeaky clean manner. His very first post was manipulative in nature or at minimal evasive..if he had the webpage for his business, that's what he should have offered in the first place. I also think he quickly jumped to seeking "sales opportunity" not only on the veterinarian front, but also grabbed quickly references for expectant mother/mother's sites to promote the fetal dopplers.......and his utilization of English was presented well with the majority of his posts......not leaving much difficulty understanding his message. There have been real poor business transactions in China with life threatening results in recent months....many pets died and left owners with large vet bills after contaminated food products........then within months this exact same substance was added to infant formula to deceive the perceived level of protein in the formula killing several babies and causing kidney failure in many other cases....Not to speak of other tainted products. Damjass may not have been involved in any of these hideous actions, but when he appears and is described as having a good grasp of the English language, he has an obligation to be aware of how he presents himself given the publicity of business practices he's working against. Again, with an adequate grasp of the english language, why would someone on a sincere playing field chose a name of "damjass." As a business person, why not a professional identity rather than one that leads to questions and creates an opportunity for ridicule. DSM, I can respect your sensitivity and connectivity to a particular ethic group. I don't think you can leave behind objectivity when it comes to damjass either. The exchanges on this thread are not one sided!

elg5cats

[dsm]

Some threads need to be left to die before discoveries about our human nature overwhelm the content of the messages.

Let this one die now. Quietly. (It is under international scrutiny). The original poster meant no harm to anyone nor ill intent.
It was a matter of discovering that some places are not the right ones to talk about sales of products. That is now clearly
understood by the original poster.

Peace !

DSM

[kona0197]

Well isn't just about everything made in China these days? Even the all-American Hummer is now a Chinese product

No the Hummer is not made in China. GM just shut down the Hummer line and it was produced here in the US.

That's all I have to say.

[DreamStalker]

Well isn't just about everything made in China these days? Even the all-American Hummer is now a Chinese product

No the Hummer is not made in China. GM just shut down the Hummer line and it was produced here in the US.

That's all I have to say.

You obviously must have inside trader knowledge on the sale huh ...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124393928530076283.html

Nonetheless ... You obviously missed the point. There are increasingly more and more Chinese products being sold outside of China ... very likely including the monitor you are reading this post from to half the stuff you buy at the grocer, department store, building supply store, electronics store, and nearly every other kind of store.
http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html

[Silver Pelt]

I contacted Vincent at bestmed88@hotmail.com and purchased the BM-606 pulse oximeter for $153. Payment was easy and the unit shipped immediately.

I have been very pleased with the unit. The only slight glitch is that I learned the supplied software does not work with Windows XP SP1, it must be SP2 or higher.

The unit is easy to use and relatively comfortable to wear. The OLED color display is very sharp and easy to read. The supplied software and manual is basic but complete. The unit will show real-time data on the screen, or connected to a PC via a USB cable will show it on the PC screen. Set to record, the unit will hold up to 24 hours of data, which is then uploaded to the PC at the user's convenience. The software has configurable time, magnitude, and rate thresholds for detecting desaturation events, prints several reports, and has basic tools for zooming in and examination of anywhere from a minute to a day's worth of data on a single screen.

There is no question that the unit works; I tested it both by comparison with the EncoreViewer nightly results and by going one night without CPAP. The correlation to the EncoreViewer results was very good but not perfect. Adjustment of the oximter analysis software desaturation event detection thresholds changed the correlation with EncoreViewer apnea and hypopnea detection only slightly. Most discrepancies occured during times when the reported leak rate was changing rapidly. The EncoreViewer software reported apneas and hypopneas where there was no corresponding desaturation on the oximeter report, and no significant change in pulse rate. I already had suspicions about the accuracy of the Respironics data in the presence of leaks, particularly when leaks are changing. The results of the pulse oximeter tend to confirm those suspicions.

Sleeping without the CPAP confirmed multiple apnea events and the efficacy of CPAP therapy. I note that I seem to be learning to sleep more on my side, and my AHI score (inferred from the oximetry data) has dropped significantly since the initial sleep lab study. In fact, the AHI score suggested by my latest oximetry data would not score as "moderate" and would probably not result in a recommendation for CPAP therapy. This provides yet more motivation for weight loss and other lifestyle changes so that I can reduce and ultimately eliminate the cumbersome chore of nightly CPAP therapy.

In summary, the BM-606 pulse oximeter is a valuable tool for CPAP therapy monitoring. I suspect that a large fraction of sleep lab studies could be replaced by triage first with this oximeter or an equivalent, then by APAP therapy with moderate pressure settings and review of the recorded data. The expensive and intrusive sleep lab studies would be reserved only for cases of severe apnea, suspicion of central apneas, etc.

At $153 including shipping, this pulse oximeter is a fraction of the cost of most competing instruments. The low price puts it within the reach of many using CPAP therapy; the cost is comparable to that of many masks and accessories. I highly recommend this unit to anyone who wants to learn more about their therapy. Especially if you have a non-recording machine, this inexpensive instrument enables quantitative assessment of the effectiveness of CPAP therapy, at a fraction of the cost of a new or upgraded CPAP machine.

[jinroh]

I contacted Vincent at bestmed88@hotmail.com and purchased the BM-606 pulse oximeter for $153. Payment was easy and the unit shipped immediately.

I have been very pleased with the unit. The only slight glitch is that I learned the supplied software does not work with Windows XP SP1, it must be SP2 or higher.

The unit is easy to use and relatively comfortable to wear. The OLED color display is very sharp and easy to read. The supplied software and manual is basic but complete. The unit will show real-time data on the screen, or connected to a PC via a USB cable will show it on the PC screen. Set to record, the unit will hold up to 24 hours of data, which is then uploaded to the PC at the user's convenience. The software has configurable time, magnitude, and rate thresholds for detecting desaturation events, prints several reports, and has basic tools for zooming in and examination of anywhere from a minute to a day's worth of data on a single screen.

There is no question that the unit works; I tested it both by comparison with the EncoreViewer nightly results and by going one night without CPAP. The correlation to the EncoreViewer results was very good but not perfect. Adjustment of the oximter analysis software desaturation event detection thresholds changed the correlation with EncoreViewer apnea and hypopnea detection only slightly. Most discrepancies occured during times when the reported leak rate was changing rapidly. The EncoreViewer software reported apneas and hypopneas where there was no corresponding desaturation on the oximeter report, and no significant change in pulse rate. I already had suspicions about the accuracy of the Respironics data in the presence of leaks, particularly when leaks are changing. The results of the pulse oximeter tend to confirm those suspicions.

Sleeping without the CPAP confirmed multiple apnea events and the efficacy of CPAP therapy. I note that I seem to be learning to sleep more on my side, and my AHI score (inferred from the oximetry data) has dropped significantly since the initial sleep lab study. In fact, the AHI score suggested by my latest oximetry data would not score as "moderate" and would probably not result in a recommendation for CPAP therapy. This provides yet more motivation for weight loss and other lifestyle changes so that I can reduce and ultimately eliminate the cumbersome chore of nightly CPAP therapy.

In summary, the BM-606 pulse oximeter is a valuable tool for CPAP therapy monitoring. I suspect that a large fraction of sleep lab studies could be replaced by triage first with this oximeter or an equivalent, then by APAP therapy with moderate pressure settings and review of the recorded data. The expensive and intrusive sleep lab studies would be reserved only for cases of severe apnea, suspicion of central apneas, etc.

At $153 including shipping, this pulse oximeter is a fraction of the cost of most competing instruments. The low price puts it within the reach of many using CPAP therapy; the cost is comparable to that of many masks and accessories. I highly recommend this unit to anyone who wants to learn more about their therapy. Especially if you have a non-recording machine, this inexpensive instrument enables quantitative assessment of the effectiveness of CPAP therapy, at a fraction of the cost of a new or upgraded CPAP machine.

Thank you, Silver Pelt. After wasting time on 4 pages of meaningless posts, I finally got some information.

[Silver Pelt]

You're very welcome, jinroh. I know what you mean about information, sometimes the signal to noise ratio is quite low. This forum is nonetheless a very valuable resource.

[YouMaySayImaDreamer]

Thank you for the info.

My Chinese is limited to words like fang-pi and bing-chee-ling. That's pretty much where my knowledge of pulse oximeters is as well.

I'm trying to get my head around the prices here. $153 is the starting price? DSM, your price list then jumps up to $850. Is there anything between that? Also, what does set/unit mean? What are some similar Western models that I might be able to read about?

And, on a very outside chance, is any of this compatible with the DeVilBiss oximeter port?

Just kind of fishing for info and trying to educate myself.

Thanks again,

YM

[Silver Pelt]

$153 is the starting price?

No, $153 is the price delivered to your door, with software, charger, case, and oximeter.

Yes, it's less than 1/4 the price of competing products.

No, it's not compatible with CPAP machines, but you can export the data to a CSV file and compare with data from your favorite date-enabled xPAP machine.

I don't understand your question about set/unit.

Fair warning: this oximeter may not have FDA approval. Gasp! Horrors! I honestly don't know one way or the other.

But I'm not using it for medical treatment; it is an educational device I purchased for my own amusement, education, and enjoyment.

And I'm enjoying it quite a lot, thank you very much.

[-SWS]

After wasting time on 4 pages of meaningless posts, I finally got some information.

A comment like that leaves a couple possibilities for your own post: 1) particularly meaningful, or 2) particularly hypocritical.

So glad you finally found a post that met your exacting needs...