OT: Inside 9/11: Zero Hour (NatGeoTV)

[roster]

It's been raining much of the weekend and most of our outdoor plans were cancelled. So I just watched this again. If you haven't seen it or want to see it again, NatGeoTV has it scheduled again for May 31 at 2:00 p.m. (120 min). I recommend capturing it on your DVR. I replayed many parts because they were so incredible. The entire 280-minute DVD set can be ordered from http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/prod ... /3303.html

Until tonight I had been debating in my own mind the subject of waterboarding. The debate has ended. I am glad our government waterboarded three "you-know-what" members during the two years immediately following 9/11 http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/200 ... only-.html.

I am also glad when the threat of another attack subsided, our leaders used discretion to end the waterboarding.

Thanks to Bush, Cheney and Pelosi for approving of the waterboarding of those three individuals.

I trust, despite the political front he is creating, President Obama will use waterboarding if urgent circumstances again call for its use.

God Bless America

[JeffH]

I knew all that "up hold the Constitution and rule of law" talk here a while back was BS. Thanks for showing your true colors.

[Julie]

I can only think that you obviously have no compassion for other human beings, whatever their political background or even misguided acts, and suggest you try your machine tonight with the humidifier on high - times 100.

[BleepingBeauty]

I am glad our government waterboarded three "you-know-what" members during the two years immediately following 9/11

Thanks to Bush, Cheney and Pelosi for approving of the waterboarding of those three individuals.

Sorry, rooster, but I wholeheartedly disagree. Torture is wrong, and waterboarding IS torture. It makes me sad and angry that the U.S. abandoned its ideals on this issue and stooped so low.

[mdbarthe]

What is really sad here is that there are obviously people who do not understand terrorism. The Islamic extremists who are intently focused on destroying our way of life (to the point of ruthlessly murdering our infants and young children as well as adults) have disdain for our capitalism, our way of life, our lack of morals and our support for Israel.

The terrorists don't commit revenge acts because we hurt one of their own or because we are a violent, abusive or torturing entity (if anything, they understand and respect that way of treating others). They plan and perpetrate mass murder and violence against us because of their religious zeal and belief that we are satans because of our way of life. Just as you folks that find waterboarding or use of enhanced interrogation as distasteful, crass and downright inhumane, feel compassionately about treating fellow human beings with dignity, respect and kindness because of your deep beliefs and sense of human decency, the terrorists believe that strongly that all of us infidels (U.S. citizens) must be killed to protect the world.

You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot ignore them; you cannot afford to take a reactive approach to their acts of mass murder. We have to be proactive and we have to use whatever means we have to protect ourselves from their perpetual onslaught.

I speak from knowledge and experience - not from what I read in the newspapers or hear on the media sources.

[roster]

I can only think that you obviously have no compassion for other human beings, whatever their political background or even misguided acts, and suggest you try your machine tonight with the humidifier on high - times 100.

I challenge you to closely watch NatGeoTV on May 31 from 2:00 p.m. to 4:00 p.m. and immediately thereafter repeat the statement about compassion you just made.

[BlackSpinner]

Oh come on You had 2 buildings bombed. The city of my birth was bombed flat by both the Germans and the allies, thousands more died. They have one statue to commenerate it. They didn't make a shrine out of every building and nobody made a mint from selling souvenirs.

Continueing torture means continued bombings. What made strong allies after the second world war was not the torturing of the enemy but the influx of money and prosperity. Fat happy people do not become terrorists. Torture one person and you will convert a hundred of their relavitves to their cause - they were called martyrs in christian history.

[roster]

......., and suggest you try your machine tonight with the humidifier on high - times 100.

As I expected, many, who claim to be against waterboarding, are not really against waterboarding ..... as long as they can decide who gets it!

[mr_azrad]

The debate has ended. I am glad our government waterboarded three "you-know-what" members during the two years immediately following 9/11

I guess we all have different opinions. I just don't feel the ends justifies the means, but I guess some people do.

[roster]

....... I just don't feel the ends justifies the means, but I guess some people do.

Depends on what the ends are and what the means are.

One example of means is slashing open a person's head with a knife.

I was very happy when a guy slashed my friend Warren's head open.

The guy was a skilled surgeon and Warren had a growing brain tumor removed. Warren has been healthy for the eleven years since - that is an example of ends. In this case, the end justified the means. But I guess you don't think so.

[dmstangu]

I can only think that you obviously have no compassion for other human beings, whatever their political background or even misguided acts, and suggest you try your machine tonight with the humidifier on high - times 100.

I challenge you to closely watch NatGeoTV on May 31 from 2:00 p.m. to 4:00 p.m. and immediately thereafter repeat the statement about compassion you just made.

Have you watched Zeitgeist? You can watch it here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 7743189197
The 9/11 part starts at minute 41.

My point is that every major subject (barring the obvious, obviously...) can be debated and "proved" with arguments both by pro and con believers.

[OwlCreekObserver]

Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

-- Orwell (or Kipling or somebody)

[mdbarthe]

To believe that those terrorizing our nation will respond to kindness is as naive as believing a hungry lion would not devour you in the desert if you were there.

Terrorists don't retaliate based on what is done to one of their own - they believe in martyrdom - it delivers them to Allah poste haste.

The intention of killing us (United States citizens) is based upon their radical Islamic religious beliefs. They have no desire to be "educated", treated with humanity, compassion or kindness. They hate us, plain and simple. A refusal to accept and deal with that is the same as fainting like sheep in the face of the wolf.

Waterboarding is agonizing, torturous and inhumane. There's no doubt about that. But I will be hard pressed to find someone who believes that it is more physically or psychologically harmful than what occurred during the 911 attack or to our sailors and soldier overseas in the numerous terrorist attacks in the last 20 years.

The terrorist attacks against us forced the U.S. to resort to less humane means of obtaining advance information and intelligence against our enemies in order to protect this nation from further attacks and protect us. While we waterboarded a few key people to get information to protect us, the terrorists were beheading our citizens, dragging their bodies through the streets and hanging them from bridge supports.

I'm beating my head against a wall trying to convince the unenlightened otherwise, so I'm done here. May God be with us all.

[bdp522]

My husband is a retired NYC firefighter. We lost many friends that day. He, my son, and many others spent days and weeks there looking first for people to rescue, later for bodies to recover. My sister-in-law was running for her life thru the streets of NYC after escaping the building next door to the towers, and trying to not get hit by the bodies of the people who jumped out of those bldgs.
I have no problem with water boarding.

Brenda

[Sloop]

My husband is a retired NYC firefighter. We lost many friends that day. He, my son, and many others spent days and weeks there looking first for people to rescue, later for bodies to recover. My sister-in-law was running for her life thru the streets of NYC after escaping the building next door to the towers, and trying to not get hit by the bodies of the people who jumped out of those bldgs.
I have no problem with water boarding.

Brenda

Good for you!

Waterboarding is about FEAR

Real torture is about PAIN -- pain that you could never even begin to imagine unless undergoing it.