It is unlikely that the rapper, Eminem, monitors this forum, but he could perhaps give us an expert opinion on Ambien.
The news is that he is in rehab for sleep med addiction.
http://www.freep.com/news/health/eminem19e_20050819.htm
Still will not stop those rationalizing and in denial about using it from singing its praise.
Ask Eminem about Ambien
M/M sleep
Thank you M/M for taking the time to issue a no comment.
Guess you have plenty time now to communicate with your adoring fans since you are probably awake anyway.
Many here take a great offence to any suggestions that Ambien may present problems.
I wish you well in your recovery efforts. It will be a bitch, but you can kick your sleep meds habit.
Mother nature works just fine.
Been there, done that
Guess you have plenty time now to communicate with your adoring fans since you are probably awake anyway.
Many here take a great offence to any suggestions that Ambien may present problems.
I wish you well in your recovery efforts. It will be a bitch, but you can kick your sleep meds habit.
Mother nature works just fine.
Been there, done that
Perhaps I shouldn't have used the Darvocet for a week after my ankle surgery, either. Funny thing is, though, I used it according to the directions and was able to get myself off when it was not needed anymore. I know there are people who abuse that, too. Maybe I should have not used it when it helped me. I'm sure I would have been better off then too!
Not looking to start a fight. Just looking to defend all of us that use sleep meds appropriately, under a Drs care. Please notice I am not introducing a conflicting opinion under a guest name.
Sue
Not looking to start a fight. Just looking to defend all of us that use sleep meds appropriately, under a Drs care. Please notice I am not introducing a conflicting opinion under a guest name.
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You make an excellent point that would have required a lot of extra ink on my part.
Any drug that has a potential for abuse will be abused by SOME people.
Whether it be alcohol or narcotics or virtually any substance, there will be a certain percent of the users who will increase their usage and deverlop a problem.
Darvocet is an excellent example. AS a pharmacist, I have seen MANY people seriously abuse it.
Percentages vary, but about 10-12 pct seems to be those who seem to have an addictive personality and will be affected.
If a person uses Ambien, alcohol, narcotics as prescribed, and discontinues it appropriately like you did with Darvocet, then there is no problem. This happens in the great majority of cases.
The concern in the real world is for those who continue and develop problems.
It would not be an option to prohibit these very helpful drugs because a small percent abuse them, but the problem is very real in those who do.
I hope those interested will pay attention to the inevitable coverage of Eminem's Ambien problem and learn the true horrors of what can happen in cases like his.
It could happen to anyone taking such.
Any drug that has a potential for abuse will be abused by SOME people.
Whether it be alcohol or narcotics or virtually any substance, there will be a certain percent of the users who will increase their usage and deverlop a problem.
Darvocet is an excellent example. AS a pharmacist, I have seen MANY people seriously abuse it.
Percentages vary, but about 10-12 pct seems to be those who seem to have an addictive personality and will be affected.
If a person uses Ambien, alcohol, narcotics as prescribed, and discontinues it appropriately like you did with Darvocet, then there is no problem. This happens in the great majority of cases.
The concern in the real world is for those who continue and develop problems.
It would not be an option to prohibit these very helpful drugs because a small percent abuse them, but the problem is very real in those who do.
I hope those interested will pay attention to the inevitable coverage of Eminem's Ambien problem and learn the true horrors of what can happen in cases like his.
It could happen to anyone taking such.
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I personally don't take Ambien. One good thing I can say, I don't usually have trouble falling asleep. It's the staying asleep that can sometimes be a problem However, one of my best friends swears by Ambien. She said it's the only thing that gets her to sleep easily and doesn't leave her drowsy in the morning. You do need to get about 7-8 hours, though, from what she says, so that you won't feel side effects the next day.
Hope this helped.
PS: I don't know if Tomjax took the M&M "Guest" seriously, but he was replying to the topic of this thread which was directed to the rapper Eminem and just pretended to be him and signed in as M&M. Did you realize that or am I just taking your reply to his "No comment" the wrong way?
Hope this helped.
PS: I don't know if Tomjax took the M&M "Guest" seriously, but he was replying to the topic of this thread which was directed to the rapper Eminem and just pretended to be him and signed in as M&M. Did you realize that or am I just taking your reply to his "No comment" the wrong way?
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M/M sleep
PS: I don't know if Tomjax took the M&M "Guest" seriously, but he was replying to the topic of this thread which was directed to the rapper Eminem and just pretended to be him and signed in as M&M. Did you realize that or am I just taking your reply to his "No comment" the wrong way?[
Wow! Did the smiley faces not give you a hint???
I wonder if anyone seriously thought I was replying to an annymous post by Marshal Mathers III and I seriously thought he would be monitoring this forum?
Now if Elvis would make a posting, I would probably reply in the fashion intended by the poster.
WOW.
Wow! Did the smiley faces not give you a hint???
I wonder if anyone seriously thought I was replying to an annymous post by Marshal Mathers III and I seriously thought he would be monitoring this forum?
Now if Elvis would make a posting, I would probably reply in the fashion intended by the poster.
WOW.
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Ambien victim
Before being diagnosed with OSA my internist prescribed ambien to see if it would help with my insomnia. I could always fall asleep, I just couldn't stay asleep and then would lie awake for hours until morning.
The ambien worked like a dream... for about a week. Then I noticed I wasn't sleeping as well, but at least I was sleeping better than without it.
The doc told me to keep taking it until we figure out what's wrong with me because if you can't sleep, nothing else in your life seems to work. I'm sure many people here can relate to that. I was nervous about taking it for an extended period of time, but he said he "is giving me permission to take ambien". He told me he has chronic pain patients who have taken Ambien for years.
Another doc switched me to Klonopin which is a benzo family drug. It knocked me out but I switched back to ambien because I know how addicting benzos are. This was all in my prediagnosed OSA days several months back.
Once I was diagnosed with OSA and got my autopap, I have been able to cut down to ½ dosage of my Ambien. My doc said to get more comfortable with the autopap before quitting the Ambien because getting off Ambien will cause rebound insomnia which is the last thing someone needs when they're trying to adapt to using CPAP et. al.
Ambien did help me initially when I needed some kind of sleep help, but it's very tough to quit using it. I will quit it though, that's a promise.
SnoreNoMore2005
The ambien worked like a dream... for about a week. Then I noticed I wasn't sleeping as well, but at least I was sleeping better than without it.
The doc told me to keep taking it until we figure out what's wrong with me because if you can't sleep, nothing else in your life seems to work. I'm sure many people here can relate to that. I was nervous about taking it for an extended period of time, but he said he "is giving me permission to take ambien". He told me he has chronic pain patients who have taken Ambien for years.
Another doc switched me to Klonopin which is a benzo family drug. It knocked me out but I switched back to ambien because I know how addicting benzos are. This was all in my prediagnosed OSA days several months back.
Once I was diagnosed with OSA and got my autopap, I have been able to cut down to ½ dosage of my Ambien. My doc said to get more comfortable with the autopap before quitting the Ambien because getting off Ambien will cause rebound insomnia which is the last thing someone needs when they're trying to adapt to using CPAP et. al.
Ambien did help me initially when I needed some kind of sleep help, but it's very tough to quit using it. I will quit it though, that's a promise.
SnoreNoMore2005
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Ask Eminem about Ambien
I'm sure Ambien is like most things health-related and everyone reacts to it differently. I'm sure as a pharmacist, Tomjax can attest to the fact that everyone reacts to various pharmaceuticals in different ways, just as they do to alcohol or tobacco use, etc.
I took Ambien once & had what I thought was a fascinating experience. My wife didn't think it was so fascinating at all and threw the rest of the Rx away after the 1st night & called our PCP & told him I was never, never, never to be given Ambien again!
I apparently (I'm told) started hallucinating some time during the night & my wife awoke to find me standing in the open bedroom doorway waving my arms. She asked what I was doing & I apparently SCREAMED at her that she told me to wash the G.D. windows, so I was washing the G.D. windows! I was so aggressive with my response I actually scared her. That's so completely out of character for me - usually pretty laid back, never raise my voice, certainly don't use profanity - that she was shocked & actually afraid of me, not knowing what was coming next.
When she related the episode to our PCP, who's also a friend of ours, he laughed & said "Well, next time give him a bottle of Windex & some paper towel & point him toward some windows!"
I have several good friends who've been taking (but not abusing) Ambien for quite awhile whenever they feel they need it, with no side effects whatever, & swear by it. It would be ridiculous and a shame to prohibit their use of a therapy that's beneficial to them because of my reaction to it, or the reaction of others who may not tolerate it well, or abuse it.
Rol
I took Ambien once & had what I thought was a fascinating experience. My wife didn't think it was so fascinating at all and threw the rest of the Rx away after the 1st night & called our PCP & told him I was never, never, never to be given Ambien again!
I apparently (I'm told) started hallucinating some time during the night & my wife awoke to find me standing in the open bedroom doorway waving my arms. She asked what I was doing & I apparently SCREAMED at her that she told me to wash the G.D. windows, so I was washing the G.D. windows! I was so aggressive with my response I actually scared her. That's so completely out of character for me - usually pretty laid back, never raise my voice, certainly don't use profanity - that she was shocked & actually afraid of me, not knowing what was coming next.
When she related the episode to our PCP, who's also a friend of ours, he laughed & said "Well, next time give him a bottle of Windex & some paper towel & point him toward some windows!"
I have several good friends who've been taking (but not abusing) Ambien for quite awhile whenever they feel they need it, with no side effects whatever, & swear by it. It would be ridiculous and a shame to prohibit their use of a therapy that's beneficial to them because of my reaction to it, or the reaction of others who may not tolerate it well, or abuse it.
Rol
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I may have been headed toward Ambien dependency in the days and weeks before I was diagnosed with severe OSA. It certainly works to knock you out, but I was starting to manage my very limited prescription as if it was some sacred gift - worry would creep in as the bottle emptied. My doc would give a few pills at a time with the stipulation that I had to make it last for x months.
Now that my sleep schedules are more regular, and I'm getting more rest, I just let the prescription run out and haven't even thought much about it. I get the feeling I may have dodged a bullet, and wouldn't presume to judge anyone who finds themselves in a dependency situation.
Now that my sleep schedules are more regular, and I'm getting more rest, I just let the prescription run out and haven't even thought much about it. I get the feeling I may have dodged a bullet, and wouldn't presume to judge anyone who finds themselves in a dependency situation.
Prior to OSA diagnosis, I took 2 tylenol pm every night to help with sleep. My GP had said this was perfectly fine and no problems with longterm use. At my first meeting with the sleep doc (director of the hospital's sleep lab), the doc was horrified to learn of it and insisted I switch to Ambien. Much to my disbelief, she maintained that the tylenol was much more dangerous for me than Ambien. Used it for month~ and discontinued myself after OSA treatment began which readily took care of my sleep problem.
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Tylenol, or acetaminophen, passes through the liver. And any drug or substance that passes through the liver every day is not a good thing if you want to keep your liver, and yourself, healthy and alive. Surprising that a doctor would let you do that. But, then again, with all I've been reading lately on this site about different doctors, it's really not all the surprising.
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Tylenol can indeed be very harmful and fatal if taken at a very high dosage.
Nothing can be done after it is absorbed. It is a very painful and drawn out death.
From my weak brain, I think it has to do with liver function and enzymes.
At a clinical dosage it can be taken without problems.
Recent reports ;ink tylenol with hypertension. Stay tuned for this connection.
Tylenol PM has benadryl which is an antihistamine with a side effect of drowsiness that helps a person sleep.
Problem here is that after about a few weeks it does not work. Gotta take it occasionally.
Switch from tylenol PM to ambien. This is about as irresponsible as it gets.
But then again if the ambien is used for a short time only, it is ok.
Anyone taking ambien should ask for the package insert next time and READ IT.
As a pharmacist I always shuttered when a patient would say, "well my doc said.........."
Elvis and Rush and many others took drugs PRESCRIBED BY THEIR DOC.
This makes them no less an addict, but they did not think so since their doc prescribed it. Oh, how we think Rationalizing and denial!!!
Nothing can be done after it is absorbed. It is a very painful and drawn out death.
From my weak brain, I think it has to do with liver function and enzymes.
At a clinical dosage it can be taken without problems.
Recent reports ;ink tylenol with hypertension. Stay tuned for this connection.
Tylenol PM has benadryl which is an antihistamine with a side effect of drowsiness that helps a person sleep.
Problem here is that after about a few weeks it does not work. Gotta take it occasionally.
Switch from tylenol PM to ambien. This is about as irresponsible as it gets.
But then again if the ambien is used for a short time only, it is ok.
Anyone taking ambien should ask for the package insert next time and READ IT.
As a pharmacist I always shuttered when a patient would say, "well my doc said.........."
Elvis and Rush and many others took drugs PRESCRIBED BY THEIR DOC.
This makes them no less an addict, but they did not think so since their doc prescribed it. Oh, how we think Rationalizing and denial!!!