Variable Breathing always 60%+ - Concerned

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Re: Variable Breathing always 60%+ - Concerned

Post by -SWS » Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:23 pm

Browser wrote: Since my last study was in a makeshift lab with the worst technicians I have ever dealt with do you guys think at this point I might benefit from a new study in a certified lab before my good insurance runs out? I hate to feed the ripoff system more money but I think my case since the last study has gotten more severe and may require a different type of treatment.
I would personally want a new sleep study. Especially if I thought my good insurance coverage was on the way out.

But as mentioned above, severe nasal impedance and a heavy apneic airway don't go well together. I'd probably even prioritize getting the nasal passages fixed versus the PSG if I had to choose only one of those.
Browser wrote:Last night(With leaking problems and restarting the machine in the morning) - Now I must say I have been going to bed around 2am and my wifes alarm goes off around 5am(I don't recall it waking me up) then a couple hours later the kids running around wakes me up about 7am and I roll over and try to go back to sleep... Bad sleep architecture ??
You're probably never going to feel well rested consistently running a severe sleep debt that way.
Browser wrote:I do drink a few cans of Mountain Dew a day and sometimes not far from bedtime... Nothing unusual on any particular night that I recall.
That might explain the 2AM bed time and some of that variable breathing. Mountain Dew is just loaded with caffeine. Think of it as Mountain Don't during the evening hours.

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Re: Variable Breathing always 60%+ - Concerned

Post by ozij » Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:57 pm

No one really knows what or how Respironics is using that entirely secret and ambiguous VB statistic. The two possibilities raised so far are:

1) The Respironics VB statistic corresponds to percent of time that patient spent in the VB control layer (seems to be the favored theiry on this board), or
2) The Respironics VB statistic corresponds to percent if time patient experienced variable breathing (despite having spent time in higher-priority algorithmic layers)
I wonder if the following - my emphasis added - may shed light on this:
Respironics wrote:The flow limitation algorithm analyzes the inspiratory airflow waveform. It looks for relative changes in the roundness, flatness, peak, or shape (skewness) of the inspiratory portion of the airflow waveform. These changes are observed both over a short period of time (groups of 4 breaths) and over a long period of time (several minutes). Statistical measures are used to help minimize false event detection while allowing the device to be sensitive to even small changes. For example, a change needs to be observed in at least two of the measures before a response is initiated. Also, responses to Flow Limitations are disabled during unstable breathing conditions such as vibratory snore, apneas, hypopneas, high leak, and variable breathing.
Question 1: What is a a "control layer"? I thought it was something that describes the machine's logic, not what the machine records about the patient. As in "if you record this then you do that" with "that" being the control layer.

Question 2: Reality can be complex - e.g. "unstable breathing conditions" consisting of snore, apnea, hypopneas, all occuring within 60 seconds - however, the reference for their detetcion is a a moving window of some minutes - what would the "control layer" for those 60 seconds? Would there be many alternating "control layers" during those 60 seconds?

Question 3: Wouldn't it make more clinical sense to report recorded events, and not the machine's control layers?

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Re: Variable Breathing always 60%+ - Concerned

Post by -SWS » Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:06 pm

ozij wrote:Question 1: What is a a "control layer"? I thought it was something that describes the machine's logic
agreed
Question 2: Reality can be complex - e.g. "unstable breathing conditions" consisting of snore, apnea, hypopneas, all occuring within 60 seconds - however, the reference for their detetcion is a a moving window of some minutes - what would the "control layer" for those 60 seconds? Would there be many alternating "control layers" during those 60 seconds?
Haven't looked at the details lately. But I would think it's theoretically possible to escalate multiple control layers within the course of those 60 seconds. The highest priority control layer? The power button. Variable breathing is near the bottom of the control layer heap. Snore is near the top and you show FL being even higher. (note: had to reedit those orders after going by my apnea-fried memory ) I would also add that low-level patent description details often do not agree with low-level design details in the real-world implementation. Patents are legal protection for the uniqueness of the design's idea.
Question 3: Wouldn't it make more clinical sense to report recorded events, and not the machine's control layers?
Well, VB is not a clinical event. And we have no idea what Respironics is doing with that secret machine statistic. Do their engineers want to track how much time patients are typically spending in the VB control layer---thereby sitting out the usual search for Popt? If so, then it's going to track that time spent in the VB control layer part of the algorithm. Or perhaps VB is used in conjunction with the A/H/FL/VS flags to track the time and distribution ratios spent in all algorithmic control layers.

Do their research scientists or epidemiologists alternately want to take a peek at how much time patients are breathing with comparatively high variability? In that case the secret VB statistic will track the patient rather than the control layer(s). Who really knows what Respironics is doing with that secret and entirely ambiguous VB statistic that was not intended for public use? Is it for in-house clinical use or is it for in-house engineering use? Or was it really placed there just to make message board users scratch their heads?
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Re: Variable Breathing always 60%+ - Concerned

Post by ozij » Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:42 pm


Well, VB is not a clinical event. And we have no idea what Respironics is doing with that secret machine statistic. Do their engineers want to track how much time patients are typically spending in the VB control layer---thereby sitting out the usual search for Popt? If so, then it's going to track time spent in that part of the algorithm.
Or by the engineers' need to make sure the algorithm is doing what they want it to do (an algorithm debug option)?
Or was it really placed their to make message board users scratch their heads?

That it wasn't.

It was pulled out of the dark hole in the SQL database not meant for either clincians or patients by, message board users trying create a better presentation of their results than Encore - a point Snoredog has been making quite consistently.
VB was coincidentally discovered by Derek (who wrote "My Encore"), carried on to EPA by James (JSkinner). It is not a parameter reported by Respironics' reporting software. Its the board users' fondness of riddles that has them scrutinizing this mystery and attempting to analyse it. Message board users (some of them) when given a choice between sleeping peacefully and scratching their head will prefer scratching their heads.

Sometime, as jnk pointed out in his inimitable humane way (luv ya, Jeff), we get so tired that we scratch each others eyes out as well... but that's beside the point.

SAG - is there an equivalent to "variable breathing" in a real life PSG? I mean, do you ever look at a PSG and say "Gee, that there is <insert variable breathing equivalent> - wonder what's going on in other channels?"

Anyone know /remember what Bev's VB was when she was taking Lexapro?
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Re: Variable Breathing always 60%+ - Concerned

Post by -SWS » Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:48 pm

Don't know about Lexapro, but I think this may be the only variable breathing chart that Bev ever posted. Wonder if her VB was more pronounced during Lexapro use. This isn't much VB compared to Browser's:

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Re: Variable Breathing always 60%+ - Concerned

Post by ozij » Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:57 pm

Thanks.
She was on Lexapro during much of that time. Stopped it in Aug., IIRC.

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Re: Variable Breathing always 60%+ - Concerned

Post by -SWS » Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:01 am

I just placed a VB poll with open discussion here:
viewtopic/t36541/Encore-Analyzer-Variab ... -Poll.html

Would love to find more out about this topic. So would Browser and others I'll bet!

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Re: Variable Breathing always 60%+ - Concerned

Post by Snoredog » Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:29 am

Hey Browser:

Is it possible you can select the line chart on that Apnea/Hypopnea Vs. Pressure report graph, you can run it for a longer period that would be great, it should look like this when you select the line chart (as opposed to bar chart):
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Post by StillAnotherGuest » Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:35 am

-SWS wrote:Don't know about Lexapro, but I think this may be the only variable breathing chart that Bev ever posted. Wonder if her VB was more pronounced during Lexapro use. This isn't much VB compared to Browser's:

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But according to the "SAG Interpretive Guide To Variable Breathing Percentages" (which he made up), she'd still have periods that were markedly abnormal:

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< 5.0% Normal
5 - 15% Mild Disturbance
15 - 25% Moderate Disturbance
> 25% Severe Disturbance
ozij wrote:SAG - is there an equivalent to "variable breathing" in a real life PSG? I mean, do you ever look at a PSG and say "Gee, that there is <insert variable breathing equivalent> - wonder what's going on in other channels?"
No, because I believe it would be "the other channels" where all the significant events would be occurring (wake, where respiratory events are not scored, phasic REM, where that type of breathing should be appreciated as normal phenomena, and if I understand the VB concept correctly, this variability is often "breath-to-breath", or nearly so, with normal "breaths" (other than variation in peak flow, seen as changes in amplitude w/o a plateau effect), so there wouldn't be anything that could be called a "respiratory event" per se.
-SWS wrote:I just placed a VB poll with open discussion here:
viewtopic/t36541/Encore-Analyzer-Variab ... -Poll.html

Would love to find more out about this topic. So would Browser and others I'll bet!
Yeah, given the Entry Qualifications for that poll, I don't see where there'll be a lot of takers.

But if anybody who doesn't have EPA wants to know their VB%, export their Encore file to desktop, open up the *.xml file with IE, do a search for "variable" and you'll find it.
ozij wrote:(VB) was pulled out of the dark hole in the SQL database not meant for either clincians or patients by, message board users trying create a better presentation of their results than Encore
I would not dismiss the significance of high-to-very high VB% under any circumstances. I firmly believe that either severe sleep architectural disturbances exist and/or the treatment algorithm has been suspended (of course, given how the VB Controller works, the latter would be a good thing)(except maybe if you woke up and the pressure was pegged).

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Re: Variable Breathing always 60%+ - Concerned

Post by rested gal » Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:40 am

Browser wrote:Now I must say I have been going to bed around 2am and my wifes alarm goes off around 5am(I don't recall it waking me up) then a couple hours later the kids running around wakes me up about 7am and I roll over and try to go back to sleep... Bad sleep architecture ??
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Actually, what you described relates to sleep hygiene:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=sleep+hygiene

Which can contribute to bad sleep architecture. Yep.

Here are some examples of sleep architecture:
http://www.apneasupport.org/about520.html

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Re: Variable Breathing always 60%+ - Concerned

Post by echo » Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:52 pm

ozij wrote:

Well, VB is not a clinical event. And we have no idea what Respironics is doing with that secret machine statistic. Do their engineers want to track how much time patients are typically spending in the VB control layer---thereby sitting out the usual search for Popt? If so, then it's going to track time spent in that part of the algorithm.
Or by the engineers' need to make sure the algorithm is doing what they want it to do (an algorithm debug option)?
A possible theory (ok hypothesis (ok random guess)) - if they were not able to clinically validate the measurement and usage of "VB" in some way, then they couldn't (or didn't want) to include it explicitly in the software, but because it does something useful (in their opinion) they use that value inside their decision-making algorithms. For example, the methodology for detecting, measuring, and deciding that an event is an apnea is somehow accepted, and a correlation can be shown with the gold standard (PSG). However, if there is no literature/knowledge on VB (as found during a PSG or some other diagnostic method), then there is no gold standard against which they can compare their VB detection algorithm. Alternately maybe VB is known in the medical community, but it's not directly correlated with anything (as SAG said, there can be a number of reasons causing an abnormal VB rate, and without further equipment you may not know the cause).

Perhaps they did some testing and found that the VB detection and usage technique allows their algorithms to produce the "right" results (as O suggests) - but then they are validating the entire detection-decisionmaking-action chain in their algorithm, and not the VB part. So they leave out the VB in the software, and then they don't have to explain it further (reduces liability?).

I'm not quite sure if that came out right. I know the point I'm trying to make but I'm not sure if it came across.
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Re: Variable Breathing always 60%+ - Concerned

Post by dsm » Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:13 pm

Have added the wording from the patent below & bolded the descriptive paras re the action taken.
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Re: Variable Breathing always 60%+ - Concerned

Post by dsm » Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:52 pm

Anyone wanting to get Respironics view of VB should read this.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7168429.html

But this is even clearer (the formulae are readable) and you can download a copy as a PDF

http://www.google.com/patents?id=lcB-AA ... xy_is=2008

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Re: Variable Breathing always 60%+ - Concerned

Post by MrSandman » Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:01 pm

I plan to call and make an appointment with my original sleep Dr. and go to one of the better rated labs in a hospital again before the end of the year.

I will check in later with report from last night.

Snoredog - I will post what you ask for but I can't post any extra days because my hard drive crashed and I lost a years worth of reports. So what you see is what I have.

I don't want this subject to get dropped because I plan to try different things and see what it does to the VB% every night.

I am watching that poll -SWS with interest. I hope to see many more VBers and then ask what pressure they run at and what mask they use.

If anyone is here from Respironics please feel free to tell us what this VB data might mean or tell us it means nothing. Tired minds want to know...
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Post by dsm » Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:31 pm

Some interpetations from the patent at http://www.google.com/patents?id=lcB-AA ... xy_is=2008

To see the various controllers see diag called Fig 2 but shown at the bottom of the above link as Drawings (page 4). Page 27 of the patent describes fig 2 and shows Variable Breathing controller as the 2nd last priority.

Page 29 starts of describing the
D.Flow LImitation Control Layer,
E.Snore Control Layer,
F.Big Leak Control Layer,
G.Apnea/Hypopnea Control Layer,
H.Variable Breathing Control Layer,

To see the way Respironics treat VB see 177 on (I have bolded and underline core aspects of VB - this is to try and get some consensus as to what various members here are talking about when referring to VB as it seems to me there is still a lot of confusion whereas PB (Periodic Breathing) can be very easily explained & backed up by references, VB hasn't been.

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'Claim 3: a variable breathing control layer that monitors the flow signal to determine whether the patient is experiencing erratic breathing, and causes the pressure generating system to adjust the pressure of the flow of breathing gas responsive to detection of erratic breathing'
Variable Breathing is one of the lowest priority controllers (as per Fig 2).


'The system of claim 3, wherein: (1) the flow limit control layer has a higher priority than the snore control layer, the big leak control layer, the apnea/hypopnea control layer, the variable breathing control layer, and the auto-CPAP control layer; (2) the snore control layer has a higher priority than the big leak control layer, the apnea/hypopnea control layer, the variable breathing control layer, and the auto-CPAP control layer and has a lower priority than the flow limit control layer; (3) the big leak control layer has a higher priority than the apnea/hypopnea control layer, the variable breathing control layer, and the auto-CPAP control layer and has a lower priority than the flow limit control layer and the snore control layer; (4) the apnea/hypopnea control layer has a higher priority than the variable breathing control layer, and the auto-CPAP control layer and has a lower priority than the flow limit control layer, the snore control layer, and the big leak control layer; and (5) the variable breathing control layer has a higher priority than the auto-CPAP control layer and has a lower priority than the flow limit control layer, the snore control layer, the big leak control layer, and the apnea/hypopnea control layer.'

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[0159] H. Variable Breathing Control Layer

[0160] The Auto-CPAP controller, which is described in the next section, relies on the ability to trend the steady rhythmic breath patterns associated with certain stages of sleep. When a patient is awake, in REM sleep, or in distress, breathing tends to be more erratic and the Auto-CPAP trending becomes unstable. It is, therefore, important to interrupt the Auto-CPAP controller if the patient's breathing pattern becomes too variable. In essence, the variable breathing control layer keeps the Auto-CPAP control layer from being too erratic.

[0161] Referring back to FIG. 2, the variable breathing control layer, which is assigned a seventh (7th) priority, includes a variable breathing detector 270, a variable breathing monitor 272, and a variable breathing controller 274. As described in greater detail below, the variable breathing control layer performs statistical analysis on the scatter of the trended weighted peak flow data to detect unstable breathing patterns or abrupt changes in patient response. When activated, variable breathing control module 274 takes priority over the auto-CPAP controller, so that when a valid variable breathing indication is provided by variable breathing monitor 272, control of the pressure support system is turned over to the variable breathing controller. In short, activation of variable breathing control module 274 interrupts the operation of the auto-CPAP controller when breathing becomes unstable and appropriately manages any necessary pressure changes.

[0162] 1. Variable Breathing Detection and Monitoring

[0163] Variable breathing detection module 270 monitors the weighted peak flows Q.sub.Wpeak over a moving window, which in a presently preferred embodiment, is a four (4) minute window. The detection module in essence trends four minutes worth of weighted peak flow information to determine whether this information is becoming too erratic. FIGS. 10A and 10B are graphs illustrating examples of the scatter of weighted peak flows. In FIGS. 10A and 10B, the weighted peak flows are relatively closely bunched around a trend line 276 in area 278 and is relatively scattered from the trend line in area 280. Trend line 276 is a best-fit line determined using any conventional statistical analysis technique based on the weighted peak flows data collected during the current 4 minute window. The primary difference between FIGS. 10A and 10B is that the trend line in FIG. 10B is shown with a non-zero slope. This is done to highlight the fact that the trend line is a best-fit line based on the collected data points.

[0164] Variable breathing detection module 270 determines the standard deviation of the weighted peak flow data collected during the monitoring window as indicated by dashed lines 282. It should be noted that the standard deviation is calculated based on the best-fit trend line 276. It can be further appreciated that a standard deviation 284 is less in region 278 than a standard deviation 286 in region 280, indicating that the weighted peak flow data is more variable in region 280.

[0165] The present inventors appreciated that using the standard deviation alone as a measure of the degree of variation in the weighted peak flow data may not produce consistently correct results. This is so, because the standard deviation of the weighted peak flow data when the mean patient flow is relatively low is not exactly comparable to the same standard deviation for a higher mean patient flow. The present invention, therefore, seeks to normalize the standard deviation to the mean patient flow, and then takes the mean flow into consideration when analyzing the variation in the data.

[0166] FIG. 11 is a chart illustrating a normalization curve 290 that describes the relationship between the mean patient flow and an adjusted mean patient flow. It can be appreciated from reviewing this figure that there is a linear region 292 in which the adjusted mean flow (vertical axis) has a one-to-one match with the actual mean flow (horizontal axis). If the patient's mean flow for the 4 minute window is within region 292, no adjustment to this mean flow is made. There is also a first region 294 having a 1/2 to one relationship between the adjusted mean flow and the actual mean flow. Thus, if the actual mean flow falls within region 294, which is between 15 and 25 liters per minute (lpm), then an adjusted mean flow is calculated based on curve 290. There is also a flat region 296 where the adjusted mean flow is clamped to a baseline value even if the actual mean flow is decreased. Thus, if the actual mean flow is less than 15 lpm, the adjusted mean flow is clamped at 20 lpm.

[0167] It is to be expressly understood that the specific shape of curve 290 and the delineations between the various regions is subject to variation. For example, although not illustrated, the present invention further contemplates providing this clamping feature if the mean flow exceeds a predetermined value, such as in region 298.

[0168] A variable breathing number (VB#) is calculated as follows: 1 VB # = standard deviation adjusted mean flow . ( 1 )

[0169] The end result of the variable breathing detection process carried out by variable breathing detection module 270 is this variable breathing number. The higher the VB#, the more variable the weighted peak flow data.

[0170] The variable breathing number is provided by variable breathing detection module 270 to variable breathing monitoring module 272, which compares this number to threshold values to determine when to request that variable breathing controller 274 take control from the auto-CPAP controller. FIG. 12 is a chart illustrating the hysteresis threshold criteria for declaring that the patient is experiencing variable breathing and, hence for requesting control of the pressure support system.

[0171] As shown in FIG. 12, an upper threshold 300 and a lower threshold 302 are set in advance. Preferably, the values of these thresholds are determined from empirical data. Variable breathing monitor 274 declares there to be variable breathing and issues a request for control to request processor 106, when the variable breathing number (VB#), represented by line 304, exceeds upper threshold 300. This occurs at point 306 in FIG. 12. Variable breathing monitor 274 will continue to deem there to be variable breathing, and, hence, continue to request control, even if the VB# falls below upper threshold 300. In short, a variable breathing active indication is turned on at point 306 and remains on over region 308, until the VB# falls below lower threshold 302 at point 310. While the variable breathing active indication is on, variable breathing monitor 274 issues a request for control of the pressure support from request processor 106.

[0172] Similarly, variable breathing monitor 274 will continue to deem there to be no variable breathing, and, hence, will not request control, even if the VB# rises above lower threshold 302. That is, the variable breathing active indication is turned off at point 310 and remains off over region 312, until the VB# exceeds upper threshold 300, which occurs at point 314.

[0173] 2. Variable Breathing Pressure Control

[0174] Once variable breathing controller 274 has been granted control of the pressure support system, it takes some initial action based on that action the auto-CPAP controller discussed below is taking. After this initial action, it performs an independent pressure control operation. FIG. 13 is a chart illustrating the pressure control operation of the variable breathing control module of the present invention.

[0175] As shown in FIG. 13, the pressure control operation performed by variable breathing controller 274 is subdivided into the following three regions: a) an active response region 320, b) a pressure hold region 322, and c) a slow ramp region 324. The pressure control performed by variable breathing controller 274 in each of these regions is discussed in turn below. It is to be understood that even though there appears to be discontinuities in the delivered pressure in FIG. 13, this is only due to the manner in which each region is illustrated. In practice, the pressure at the end of region 320 is the start pressure for the pressure control that takes place in region 322. Similarly, the pressure at the end of region 322 is the start pressure for the pressure control that takes place in region 324.

[0176] In region 320, column A illustrates the possible prior pressure curves, i.e., the possible pressure control actions being taken by the pressure support system before operation of the system was handed over to variable breathing controller 274. Column B illustrates the corresponding pressure control curves that are produced by variable breathing controller 274 based on the prior curves. In case #1, a prior pressure 326 is flat (not increasing, not decreasing). In which case, variable breathing controller 274 will cause the pressure delivered to the patient to remain at this level, as indicated by pressure curve 328.

[0177] In case #2, a prior pressure 330 is increasing. In which case, variable breathing controller 274 initially decreases the pressure delivered to the patient at a rate of 0.5 cmH.sub.2O per minute, as indicated by pressure curve 332. The magnitude of the decrease is dependent on the magnitude of the increase in prior pressure 330. Pressure decrease 332 is intended to erase the prior pressure increase 330 that possibly caused the variable breathing. However, the total decrease in pressure drop 332 is limited to 2 cmH.sub.2O. After pressure decrease 332, variable breathing controller 274 holds the pressure steady, as indicated by pressure curve 334.

[0178] In case #3, a prior pressure 336 is decreasing. In which case, the variable breathing controller initially increases the pressure delivered to the patient at a rate of 0.5 cmH.sub.2O per minute, as indicated by pressure curve 338. The magnitude of the increase 338 is dependent on the magnitude of the decrease in prior pressure 336. Pressure increase 338 is intended to erase the prior pressure decrease 336 that may have caused the variable breathing. However, the total increase in pressure 338 is limited to 2 cmH.sub.2O. After pressure increase 338, variable breathing controller 274 holds the pressure steady, as indicated by pressure curve 340.

[0179] In a presently preferred embodiment, the duration during which pressure is provided according to the paradigms discussed above for region 320, column B, is set to 5 minutes. Thus, pressure curve 328 (case #1), curve 332-334 (case #2), or curve 338-340 (case #3) is provided for 5 minutes or until the variable breathing condition clears. Thereafter, the pressure is controlled according the pressure operations of region 322. It is to be understood, however, that this duration can be varied over a range of durations.

[0180] In region 322, the pressure is either maintained at a constant value, as indicated by pressure curve 342 (case #4), or it follows a decrease and hold pattern, as indicated by pressure curve 344 (case #5). The decision to hold the pressure (case #4) or to decrease the pressure (case #5) is made by comparing the current pressure, i.e., the patient pressure at the end of region 320, with the snore treatment pressure. This is similar to the pressure control operation of A/H controller 168 discussed above with respect to FIG. 9.

[0181] If there is no snore treatment pressure stored in the system, which will be the case if the snore controller has not been activated, the pressure is held constant as pressure curve 342. If there is a snore treatment pressure, and if the current pressure is more than a predetermined amount above this snore treatment pressure, such as more than 2 cmH.sub.2O above the snore treatment pressure, variable breathing controller 274 decreases the pressure to a level that is a predetermined amount higher than the snore treatment pressure, as indicated by pressure curve 344, and holds the pressure at the lower level, as indicated by line 346, over the duration of region 322. The present invention decreases the pressure during pressure decrease 344 to the snore treatment pressure +1 cmH.sub.2O.

[0182] In a presently preferred embodiment, the duration during which pressure is provided according to the paradigms discussed above for region 322 is set to 15 minutes. Thus, pressure curve 342 (case #4) or curve 344-346 (case #5) is provided for 15 minutes or until the variable breathing condition clears. Thereafter, the pressure is controlled according to the pressure operation of region 324. It is to be understood, however, that this 15 minute duration can be varied over a range of durations.

[0183] In region 324, there is only one pressure control operation. Namely, the pressure delivered to the patient is slowly ramped down, as indicated by pressure curve 348. This downward pressure ramp continues until the minimum system pressure is reached or until the variable breathing condition clears.
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xPAP and Quattro std mask (plus a pad-a-cheek anti-leak strap)