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Post by Tarma » Sat Apr 19, 2008 8:31 pm

Tarma, lung volume was increased by an iron lung in the abstract I presented.
Teach me to read fast....

Hadn't really thought about airway size and lung volume. I think that might also explain the very weird sensation you get when someone opens a hatch while you are in one of those things. I had thought it was just from the increased work of breathing without the extra negative pressure, but that didn't totally explain the sensation. I'm certainly not an expert. Just played with one once for a short period of time.


I don't think that helmet looks claustrophobic, but it sure looks uncomfortable!
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Post by Guest » Sat Apr 19, 2008 8:39 pm

Would it be possible to increase lung volume without using a gigantic machine? I remember playing a trumpet in the band when I was a kid and my lung capacity was much larger then.

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Post by split_city » Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:58 pm

Anonymous wrote:Would it be possible to increase lung volume without using a gigantic machine? I remember playing a trumpet in the band when I was a kid and my lung capacity was much larger then.
By lung capacity do you mean total lung capacity? This isn't really important in regards to the studies I mentioned. They actually changed functional residual capacity (FRC), which is the amount of air in the lungs after expiration.

Obesity and moving from an upright position to the supine condition reduces FRC. Therefore, a simple way to increase long volume without the iron lung is to stand up. This will help with the OSA but might be difficult to sleep . However, unlike healthy-weight individuals, there is little change in FRC between postures in obese indviduals. No-one really knows why there is a lack of change in lung volume in this group.

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Post by Babette » Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:44 pm

Great googly moogly! Makes my cpap look MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE! And what are those things under her breasts all about???? They look like boat bumpers..

Can you rent time in a hyperbaric chamber? Like going to an oxygen bar?

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Post by Needsdecaf » Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:01 pm

A CPAP Love story:

Dr. No, a recluse millionaire scientist uses his exceeding skill to overcome a childhood problem: OSA. Using his fortune and immense knowledge, Dr. No's full head CPAP helmet first hits the market in the early 60's. Receiving almost universal scorn, Dr. No gets very angry and seeks revenge against the world's powers.

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However, James Bond, a dashing British Spy ruins the plot.

In the end, Dr. No is reduced to practicing as a family physician, writing out
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One day, Dr. No hires a new Nurse, Nurse Yes. When she shows up with her custom made CPAP helmut, they fall instantly in love and live happily ever after.

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Post by 3isles » Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:20 pm

Babette,
yes you can rent hyperbaric o2 chambers or time in them
heres a link

http://www.hyperbaric4autism.com/?gclid ... Hgod1E3jbg

whew...getting that closed in feeling again..... don't like elevators either,


hyperbaric o2 tx was all the rage on the CPParent forum a few years ago, this particular site is for autism, Some people were totally on board. and I know its used for tx of non-healing wounds but I don't see how it would help osa if the obstruction is in the throat or nasal cavity or whatever, but then I never really understood how it was supposed to correct the static brain damage in CP either...
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Post by split_city » Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:48 pm

Panhandler wrote:I wonder, though, if you're in an oxygen-rich atmosphere, if the desaturations from apneas would be significantly less. Maybe someone here has experience with hyperbaric chambers.
Kimoff et al ran an interesting study back in 1994. In this study, they were looking at whether apneas were terminated by chemical stimuli i.e. hypoxia and hypercapnia or mechanical stimuli i.e. diaphragm activity. In separate trials, they administered either oxygen or CO2 and measured the diaphragmatic tension-time index (TTdi index of diaphragm activity). They found:

1) O2 administration produced a significant increase in end-apneic arterial oxygen saturation (SaO2) and increased apnea duration
2) CO2 administration led to an increase in pre- and postapneic end-tidal carbon dioxide pressure (PETCO2), and tended to shorten apneas
3)However, the mean value for maximal end-apneic TTdi was 0.12 +/- 0.01 (SEM) during room air breathing and was unaltered by O2 (0.12 +/- 0.01) or CO2 (0.11 +/- 0.01) administration

The last part is important as it suggests that apnea termination is brought about by mechanoreceptors and not via chemoreceptors.

So O2 administration prevents desats but apneas last longer.

Another earlier study also concluded that mechanorecptors are involved in triggering an arousal.
The influence of increasing ventilatory effort on arousal from sleep.Gleeson K, Zwillich CW, White DP.
Department of Medicine, Milton S. Hershey Medical Center, Hershey, Pennsylvania 17033.

Arousal from sleep in response to asphyxia can be a lifesaving event. However, the mechanisms responsible for this important arousal response are uncertain. A unifying hypothesis is that arousal results from the increased respiratory effort that occurs as a result of ventilatory stimulation. If this is true, the magnitude of this effort during the breaths immediately preceding arousal from sleep should be similar regardless of the stimulus. Therefore, the negative inspiratory pleural pressure during the breaths preceding arousal would be similar, whether stimulated by added inspiratory resistive load, hypoxia, or hypercapnia. To test this hypothesis, we studied eight young, healthy men during full-night sleep studies. We measured their electroencephalography (EEG), electromyography (EMG), electrooculography (EOG), inspired ventilation (VI), end tidal PCO2 (PETCO2), O2 saturation, and esophageal pressure (esophageal balloon) while inducing arousal from non-REM sleep using (1) a 30-cm H2O/L/s added resistive load, (2) progressive hypoxia, and (3) progressive hyperoxic hypercapnia. All subjects were eventually aroused following the addition of the 30-cm H2O/L/s added load and during progressive hypercapnia. However, only six of the eight men were aroused when the O2 saturation was reduced to a minimum of 70%. For each stimulus, arousal occurred at very different levels of ventilation and arterial chemistry (SaO2 and CO2). However, ventilatory effort for each subject was similar at the point of arousal regardless of the stimulus. The peak-negative esophageal pressure for the single inspiration preceding arousal (for the six subjects arousing with all three stimuli) was 16.8 +/- 1.4 cm H2O for added resistive load, 15.0 +/- 2.4 cm H2O for hypoxia, and 14.7 +/- 2.1 cm H2O for hypercapnia. We conclude that increasing ventilatory effort may be the stimulus to arousal from sleep independent of the source of this rising drive to breathe.
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Post by bbacher » Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:36 am

You know who invented the iron lung?


Alexander Graham Bell! (of telephone fame)