Would this be a viable rainout cure?

[Dale92]

Greetings All
I haven't posted in quite awhile but I have followed the postings occasionally. I was at my DME's recently and I have to admit that 99 out of 100 of his comments are usually useless but I would like your opinion on this one. He suggested I use the same product divers use to coat the insides of their masks to prevent them from fogging up on the inside of my comfortlite cushions to prevent rainout.

I have to keep a my machine's humidifier on the lowest setting to help minimize rainout. Even though I do this I still get moisture in my cushion and when I roll over I get a snoot full and wake up. His suggestion to use the stuff divers do was interesting but I do not know if 1) it is safe and 2) if it would help at all.

Any one ever try this or have any opinion on its merits or lack there of?

Dale

[JeffH]

Sounds like BS to me. Aussie hose works for me.

JeffH

[sleepycarol]

I am not familiar with that product.

You may want to review the threads about the repticable to modify your hose into a heated one at a reasonable cost.

I use my humidifier as a pass over and so do not need or use a heated cable.

[GumbyCT]

Take a walk on the wild side - the Repti Heated cable helped me. Be sure to add your very own fire controller.

Time for me to order a shorter 1.

[Wulfman]

I would guess that your DME's batting 100 for 100 now.

Divers use "whatever" (I actually thought they spit in their masks) to help visibility.

Rainout is caused by a temperature differentiation.....air temp, water temp and hose temp. Basically, the water vapor is warmer and when it hits the cooler hose and mask, it becomes condensation (water). You either have to warm the air temp surrounding the hose (room temp or heated hose) or turn your humidifier temp/setting down.

Den

[bigk]

I just got the heated hose and was able to crank my humidifier up a bit - last time I tried that I almost drowned.

[lvehko]

Greetings All
I haven't posted in quite awhile but I have followed the postings occasionally. I was at my DME's recently and I have to admit that 99 out of 100 of his comments are usually useless but I would like your opinion on this one. He suggested I use the same product divers use to coat the insides of their masks to prevent them from fogging up on the inside of my comfortlite cushions to prevent rainout.

I have to keep a my machine's humidifier on the lowest setting to help minimize rainout. Even though I do this I still get moisture in my cushion and when I roll over I get a snoot full and wake up. His suggestion to use the stuff divers do was interesting but I do not know if 1) it is safe and 2) if it would help at all.

Any one ever try this or have any opinion on its merits or lack there of?

Dale

I don't see how this would help. That stuff just makes the water vapor not cling to the glass. All it would do would be to make the water run off the inside surface of your mask quicker.

M.

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[bdp522]

Divers use "whatever" (I actually thought they spit in their masks) to help visibility

You're right Den. Most use spit. It works and means there is one less thing to carry in the dive bag.

I don't see how this would help. That stuff just makes the water vapor not cling to the glass. All it would do would be to make the water run off the inside surface of your mask quicker.

You're also right Minerva. The water just pools in the bottom of the mask.


Brenda

[Dale92]

Thanks everyone for the input.

I was pretty sure it wouldn't help but hey it never hurts to ask.

Dale

[Gerald]

Dale.......

You might consider breaking the problem into (2) parts.

I find that rainout comes from (2) sources: breath condensation....and
humidifier condensation.

Humidifier condensation can be helped by using a covered and/or heated hose.....and by lowering the heat level on the humidifier.

I find that there's not much that can be done to help the "breath condensation" problem. However. you might consider experimenting with some tightly folded Bounty Towell material....inside your mask....to soak up the half-dozen big drops fromed by your breath.

Gerald

[Dale92]

Thanks Gerald

I know my problem comes from exhalation and not condensation in my hose which is why I don't buy a heated hose. I have tried different things to end the problem but each solution I come up with comes with its own problems. For instance I made a small cozy for my comfortlite cushions and it stopped the condensation but it ended up causing seal problems because the felt tended to move around a bit. I had thought of using some type of adhesive but there was nothing safe enough to inhale and there would be cleaning issues also.

I must be somewhat of a hard to fit person because from what I read almost no one has any issues with masks :wink: Seriously though I have a few issues, facial oils (wash fash before bedtime) slightly chin challanged and a somewhat odd shaped nose that tend to give me fits with masks.

If a mask (full face or nasal) holds a seal it bites my nose so bad I cannot wear it more than one or two days. If I go with a mask like my comfortlite I have condensation problems and in order to keep a seal my nares get sore. To prevent my nares from getting sore I use Ayr gel and then it is hard to keep a seal. I lost count of the number of masks I have tried but it is close to twenty by now. The search goes on for the right mask!

Dale

[Babette]

Hey Dale, I have almost no rainout problems with the Nasal Aire II. Yeah I know I'm a broken record about this, but...

I HAVE had rainout, but since I put the snuggle hoses on the side hoses, and started keeping the ambient bedroom temperature higher than -14 below, it's nearly zero now.

And I have extremely oily, sensitive skin. I just can't wear any other maks. They hurt, they leak, they cause me to break out in acne and rashes...

Try clicking on my Tip Sheet in my sig line below for more info.

Good luck!
Barbara

PS - For those that want to strangle me because I keep hawking this mask I point you to an interesting tidbit from history. When Narcissa Whitman (The 19thC Christian Missionary) was asked why she was struggling so hard to bring Christianity to the "Savages," she replied that she was mortally afraid of dying and being at the seat of judgement, and watching her "Indian" neighbors being sent "South" and them accusing her of knowing the "keys to the kingdom" but having withheld that information from them. She was completely sincere in this belief. Whether you approve of her desire to Christianize the world or not, she sincerely felt that she was saving people with her work.

If one person tries this mask based on my barrage of emails and it solves their problems, I can die happy.

[dreamchick]

Dale:

I did two things that worked for me that I learned here on the forum.

1. I put my machine lower than my mattress

2. I got a snuggle hose cover

No problem since I did this with my nose mask. I switch between it and the full face mask. I don't have rain out with my FF mask but the nose mask I did until I tried both these tips.

Warming up the room is not an option. I live in Jersey and it is pretty humid here this seems to work so far.

If I have trouble in the summer I am going to switch to the Aussie hose.

[sharon1965]

PS - For those that want to strangle me because I keep hawking this mask I point you to an interesting tidbit from history. When Narcissa Whitman (The 19thC Christian Missionary) was asked why she was struggling so hard to bring Christianity to the "Savages," she replied that she was mortally afraid of dying and being at the seat of judgement, and watching her "Indian" neighbors being sent "South" and them accusing her of knowing the "keys to the kingdom" but having withheld that information from them. She was completely sincere in this belief. Whether you approve of her desire to Christianize the world or not, she sincerely felt that she was saving people with her work.
If one person tries this mask based on my barrage of emails and it solves their problems, I can die happy.

babs, i, for one, know that you are sincere in your support for both the mask and whomever you are recommending it to; i fervently wish that it had worked for me, and though i chuckle to myself every time i see you post on the wonders of the NAII, i also thank the gods that there is someone like you in this world
keep on keepin on, babsie

[Babette]

Thanks Sharon! Nice avatar photo! Did you get younger?

Oh, and I second the idea of lowering the machine lower than your head. I had to completely re-do my bedroom arrangement, but it helped alot.

Cheers,
B.