When will science catch up with what I am saying?

sleepycarol · Post by **sleepycarol** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:58 am

I see you are a guest on this forum. I know for myself I use this forum for answers and support for my sleep apnea and my use of a cpap machine. I am unsure how your topic, marijuana fits in with the forum.

You do not indicate you have a problem with sleep apnea so don't know exactly why you are posting here.

Wulfman · Post by **Wulfman** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:08 am

sleepycarol wrote:I see you are a guest on this forum. I know for myself I use this forum for answers and support for my sleep apnea and my use of a cpap machine. I am unsure how your topic, marijuana fits in with the forum.

You do not indicate you have a problem with sleep apnea so don't know exactly why you are posting here.

Apparently, someone else thought the same way and deleted the post.....(must have been spam)

Den

split_city · Post by **split_city** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:15 am

Oh, I thought we were talking about Snoredog given the title is pretty close to his trademark signature

Slinky · Post by **Slinky** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:19 am

I confess. I sent it to Admin to let THEM decide how acceptable that post was or wasn't.

sleepycarol · Post by **sleepycarol** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:14 am

Thanks slinky.

Slinky · Post by **Slinky** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:24 am

If Admin deems it acceptable it will be restored and I will know better in the future to send them ONLY those posts very OBVIOUSLY spam. This is the first that I was unsure about and opted to notify them.

RosemaryB · Post by **RosemaryB** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:40 pm

If it was about medical marijuana, perhaps we got spammed because this forum is about a medical topic. If so, the OP must not have known much about sleep apnea, since marijuana, like alcohol would only cause more apneas.

roster · Post by **roster** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:25 pm

Slinky, why did you do that? I remember seeing this sometime this morning and now I found it on a medical forum that I often read. I don't mind reading some crap like this on cpaptalk as long as it does not get out of hand here. Anyway, as well as I can remember this is what was in the original post that Slinky deleted (maybe no one gives a darn, but here it is):

Knowledge posts written by mike cottingham

Too Much Cannabis and Pain Relief Goes Up in Smoke - Oct 24,2007

I suffer from nerve pain down both legs as a result of herniated disks, scarring and a failed surgical attempt at a remedy. As well, I suffer from Ankylosing Spondylitis. A few years ago, it was suggested by both my neurosurgeon and my rheumatologist that I try to use marijuana for pain management. Although I smoked a considerable amount when I was a teenager, I was in my early thirties when this advice was given.

I recorded my experiences and learned a few things that I am yet to see acknowledged adequately in research studies. I would really like to see more attention paid to:

1. The difference between the two main strains of cannabis, sativa and indica, is significant. Sativa seems to give more of a heady high and indica more of a body stone. The heady high works better for my nerve pain as I can play a mind game with it (e.g. I can imagine putting it in a box and putting a lid on it). Whereas indica's body stone seems to increase the pain (it also seems to increase my joint pain) and makes me feel tired and heavy.
2. When cannabis is harvested affects the high. When harvested early in the harvest window (optimum harvest time) the high is more heady. When harvested later, the effects are more physical. This could be a result of oxidization and its affect of the other cannabis components, most likely Cannabinol (CBN) and Cannabidiol (CBD), perhaps even Cannabicyclol (CBL).

What's funny, however, is that some of this knowledge seems to exist in the older hobby growers, half a generation older than me. Why do they seem to know this and yet science is barely recognizing the different strains and crossbreeds, let alone the components beyond THC?

Thanks a lot,
Mike

Source: http://www.medpagetoday.com/showAllCont ... tid=155045

BTW, I would fear the stuff would really relax me and make my apnea worse.

Slinky · Post by **Slinky** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:37 pm

Rooster, when a forum member deletes a post, it is sent to the Admins and it is up to them whether it to reinstate it or to permanently delete it. I thought that it was a post that deserved perusal by the Admin. I'm sorry that you thought otherwise and saw fit to repost it. Obviously, one of us has used poor taste or poor judgement.

roster · Post by **roster** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:50 am

Slinky wrote:..Obviously, one of us has used poor taste or poor judgement.

I'm clueless and my wife says when I am clueless, I am always guilty. I did not mean to accuse you of either offense.

Come to think of it, when I am clued in, my wife says I am always guilty. .

Slinky · Post by **Slinky** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:11 am

No problem, Rooster. I really was just unsure whether to let it go and ignore it or not. Then when SleepyCarol seemed to have some reservations about the post as well I decided to send it to Admin and let them decide. Prior to this I've never deleted anything but OBVIOUS spam and it bothered me whether I did the right thing or not. You "ain't" the only one who can be clueless. I'm OBVIOUSLY NOT a child of the 60s!!!

I never liked feeling "high" whether from alcohol or script meds. I never understood those who did/do like feeling "high". My oldest daughter was killed just after her 17th birthday by a drunk driver so I'm most likely much more "touchy" on the subject than many or even most other people.

Don't sweat the small stuff, big guy! Even when my feathers DO get ruffled, I get over it quick. Life's too short!!!

sleepycarol · Post by **sleepycarol** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:22 am

I am truly sorry about your daughter Slinky!!! Our school has lost some students due to car accidents and from that perspective know how hard it is when you are close to someone -- but I haven't had to know is the parent's worst nightmare and grief. It must be the most horrendous feeling ever!!

I don't mean to bring up bad memories but wanted to let you know how sorry I am!!

As far as the original post on this thread I would hate to see the board take sides over an issue that is mute to sleep apnea. I felt that the issue was not about sleep apnea and its issues and so wondered how appropriate it was for a forum that is suppose to be about SA.

Slinky · Post by **Slinky** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:43 am

Thank you, Carol. Its been almost 30 years. One remembers the good times and gets on w/life. But not w/o some bitterness towards those selfish and stupid enough to drink and drive or while "high" on something. I'm not even sympathetic to those w/untreated or insufficiently treated apnea who insist on driving. Just one of my "kinks".

Actually, in retrospect, while the original post wasn't relevant to sleep apnea, many of us, myself included, have from time to time posted something off-topic so obviously my own bias towards MJ came into play. I should have just left it alone and it most likely would have gotten a lot less attention. Live and learn! Even at my age.

ApNoob · Post by **ApNoob** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:44 am

The post, as relayed by rooster, was obviously not CPAP or apnea related--and the premise was BS. It isn't a matter of science "catching up" but a matter of government stopping its schizophrenia over therapeutic drugs and deciding that expensive prescription drugs are good but drugs that can be easily grown are bad.

GumbyCT · Post by **GumbyCT** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:25 pm

While I did not think the OP had anything to do with sleep apnea, I do remain hopeful that one day the medicinal use will be explored and thought I would leave it for others to decide. And so it was.

Slinky wrote:Actually, in retrospect, while the original post wasn't relevant to sleep apnea, many of us, myself included, have from time to time posted something off-topic so obviously my own bias towards MJ came into play.

I have a theory that (whether we realize it or not) we ALL make our choices today based on "our very own" past experiences. Sometimes we may not even be aware of why we have made the choice we made. Call them filters or whatever. It may at times even taint what we see and how we interpret what we have seen or remember.

I see this as a double-edge sword which has benefits and drawbacks. At times it can make the world a wonderful place to live or confusing at other times.

Drawing on my own near death experience, (I awoke during brain surgery but that is for another thread) I think it is completely unnatural for any of us to experience the pre-mature death of our children, for any reason, natural or unnatural). I can not even imagine the pain that would bring to the survivors. In my case, I was saved and allowed 18 months more with my mom.

Because she was older, that is something that could logically be processed and understood (by me) but how she could have (would have) dealt with my demise, I am not sure. In others words, we tend to see it as a natural progression in life, if/when they are older than us.

Why did I bring mom into this? I often thought during her later years (of suffering) about asking her if she was interested in exploring the medicinal use of MJ.

You know how the older you get, you tend to think oh why not? Or what have I got to loose? I thought she might. But because of my past experience, I thought that would upset her, so I never did.

During my recovery I learned -

that everything happens for a reason
and
what doesn't kill us, tends to make us stronger

.

I have always been intrigued by the expression I read on this forum -
"When will science catch up with what I am saying?"

Just my 2 cents on this whole thing -
As filtered by the GumbyCT Processor