water in mask?

tg26 · Post by **tg26** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:41 am

I use an ultra mirage ff mask, and I woke up this morning with a small pool of water by my chin at the base of the mask. I have my heated humidifier set at 3 out of 5, but I don't want to lower the setting because then I get extremely dry mouth. I also use a snugglehose cover for my tubing.

Has anyone else had problems with this? suggestions?

searchbuffet · Post by **searchbuffet** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:44 am

I'm new here and to CPAP so I don't really know much of anything. But if you click on the CPAP Videos link at the top of this site, it goes to a page that lists a video called:

Rainout, Causes and Solutions

Would this maybe help with your problem? Sorry I can't help more, good luck.

oceanpearl · Post by **oceanpearl** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:50 am

I was having the same problem and had my wife make me a fleece cover to put around the hose and that solved the problem. It took her every bit of 3 minutes to make it.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:52 am

Thanks. I watched the video and it seems to have three solutions.

Snugglehose, which I already have.
Turn down the humidifier, which won't work because it will give me dry sore throat.

Turn up temperature in the room. This might be a possibility, but I don't have a very accurate heating system in my bedroom. I am also very sensitive to temperature when I sleep, and if it's too hot I have trouble falling asleep. I wonder if I could construct some sort of snugglehose like mask cover?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:54 am

Thanks oceanpearl. Any tips on how to keep the fleece attached to the mask?

tuna · Post by **tuna** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:58 am

There is also the aussie heated hose at http://www.sleepzone.com.au
you can try..

searchbuffet · Post by **searchbuffet** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:59 am

I know what you mean about being temperature sensitive. I HAVE to have it quite cold to sleep or I just don't. And actually now that I think about it, I've only used the CPAP thing for about 3 nights (barely) and the 2nd night I had the humidifier on only 2 and I woke up around 3am with it gargling - there was a puddle of water in the main hose...

I wonder if the snuggle hose thing would fix this as well; though you mentioned that you already have one and it's not really (or was it that water is only in the mask now, not the hose?)

One of the biggest things I've noticed so far about the whole CPAP setup is that the hoses themselves are so darn heavy. You'd think with all of the advanced materials that are available today, they could make something a bit lighter weight that doesn't noticeably tug so much.

papdaddy · Post by **papdaddy** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:12 am

If you are able to , you could also run the tubing under the covers .Between the covers and the snugglehose, that will help with the temperature difference, thus cutting back on the rainout.
Hope that helps.
Rich

Snoredog · Post by **Snoredog** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:30 pm

that is called rainout, those droplets hitting you in the face can wake you up. It is caused by the humidifier being set up too high, turn it down.

If you are trying to warm the air with the thing, get a heated hose. The purpose of the humidifier is to add moisture to the air, not warm it up.

gasp · Post by **gasp** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:03 pm

I actually route my hose under my mattress. My machine sits a few inches away from by bed and much lower than my bed. I route the hose up, leaving a little slack, to go under the corner of my mattress. The hose comes out from between my mattress near the center of where I sleep.

I may be 'hosed' (pun intended), but I think the hose routing up keeps the heaviest moisture near the unit. I have a bedroom in the 60s at night (we like it cool) and so far no rainout in the hose.

I have mask moisture, especially in my Mirage Quattro FF mask. I wonder if it would be possible for us to cut micro fleece in the shape of the mask and tape it to the hard plastic part (ensuring exhaust is not covered). That way the cover could be removed to wash the mask. You try it first and let me know

zzzzzz!! · Post by **zzzzzz!!** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:29 pm

I'm not sure it's entirely a problem with the humidifier. When I used my Ultra Mirage FFM last winter, I had the same problem even though I had never used the humidifier, ever. It was just condensation from my breathing. Not sure what the solution for that would be...

Gerald · Post by **Gerald** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:51 pm

I think zzzzz!! is right on target. The hose is more than likely NOT the problem. When I get rainout, it's from condensation inside my mask (Invacare Aura).

I believe mask condensation comes from exhaled breath....rather than from the humidifier. With my "M" series integrated humidifier on a setting of (2), I still have condensation in my mask....but it's not quite enough to accumulate enough to bother me. I never have condensation in the hose.....and I do have a cover over it.

I have to take the mask apart in the morning....shake the moisture droplets out of it......and hook it up to a drier so that it won't be growing things while I'm at work.

I'm not sure what the answer is....other than running the humidifier at a low setting.....to minimize the moisture being exhaled.

clk-2 · Post by **clk-2** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:15 pm

[quote="Gerald"]
I have to take the mask apart in the morning....shake the moisture droplets out of it......and hook it up to a drier so that it won't be growing things while I'm at work.

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Gerald, I am new to all of this, I use a hose cover and that has helped decrease the moisture but I still have a little bit of moisture in the am. What do you mean by hook it up to a drier?

clk

Gerald · Post by **Gerald** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:48 pm

CLK......

I built a mask drier out of bilge pump hose, a boot drier, a pot-plant dolly, some A/C foam filter material, and a computer cooling fan. It blows a gentle breeze thru the mask all day and it's very dry when I'm ready to "suit up" at night.

If you're a DIY person, PM me and I'll tell you how to put it all together.

KimberlyinMN · Post by **KimberlyinMN** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:06 pm

tuna wrote:There is also the aussie heated hose at http://www.sleepzone.com.au
you can try..

I second this! I love the heated hose. I found a power strip that has one half of the outlets on timers so that the hose is only "on" from 9 pm to 6 am.

Kimberly

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