Candida Albicans and internal mold and fungus

[Guest]

Hey Van, I didn't think you were being a jerk. You gave a very thoughtful reply to the topic.

I sometimes come across as a completely knee-jerk liberal hippie. In some respects I am. I am ALSO, however, reasonably intelligent, and do come from a very diverse background. I.E., both my fathers are Repulicans. Hey, if they were good enough for my mother to sleep with...

Anyway, AGREED - natural DOES NOT always equal GOOD. And just because it's NATURAL doesn't make it good to ingest. Can you say "PETROLEUM" boys and girls? I'm a big fan of Penn & Teller's "BS" program. I love the one they did on the health food craze. I go into Super Supplements and roll my eyes alot. On the other hand, I also buy good stuff from there, that I've already researched and thought about. As opposed to stuff the minimum wage staff is pushing for a kick-back...

So, don't be fooled by my "Natural Cleaning" thread. If you wander through all 487 pages of it, you discover I eat at McDonald's regularly, drive a car, and wash my face with chemicals. I do have sensitive skin, and I'm interested in some "alternatives" to certain substances in my life, but I like to consider myself FAIR AND BALANCED in the environmental arena.

Just couldn't resist working that into the conversation. I like to think John Stewart is somewhere nodding his head and smiling benevolently at me...

ANYWHOOOO... Given that some members of this board think I'm growing yeast in my nose, I read this thread with interest. I read, I evaluate, I experiment, I report my findings. Unless I die, in which case I can't tell you not to try that...

LOL,
B.

[vdol52]

Of course. The Gipper was a GREAT leader.
Sure wish he was the man in charge, today...

Amen to that Vader.

Victoria

Quote: Sometimes Ignorance really is Bliss.

[vdol52]

Unfortunately the over use of antibiotics prescribed by doctors is a huge factor in the candida ablicans problem today.
An excellent dietary supplement product called SF722, made by Thorne Research, is very beneficial in helping suppress the candida in your body.

There's a good book by Dr. William Crook. called the "Yeast Connection".
Candida Albicans is a much bigger problem than most medical professionals are willing to admit.

Wow, I will look that SF7222 up. I'm taking natural antifunguals now but would love to try something a little stronger. I am also zapping, as recommended in Dr Hulda Charks book, "The Cure for all Disease".

Thanks Vader

[vdol52]

C Albicans folks make a splash every once in a while.

This scare has been going on for many years and IMHO, is a bunch of BS.

Tomjax,
This sounds like something a man would say. You obviously have never had a yeast infection, jock itch, or toenail fungus. But many of us have.
I was speaking to me Endocrinoligost last visit about a month ago and she said that she believes that all disease comes down to eith a virus, fungus or bacteria.
But hey, she's only an MD.

But thanks for weighing in anyway, all opinions are welcome. I'm very open-minded.

Victoria

[vdol52]

C Albicans folks make a splash every once in a while.

This scare has been going on for many years and IMHO, is a bunch of BS.

That sounds like something a man would say. You obviously have never had a yeast infection, jock itch, or toenail fungus. But many of us have.

My endocrinologist told me about a month ago that she beleives that all diseases will come down to a virus, fungus, or bacteria.
But hey, she's just an MD.

But thanks for weighing in. All opinions are welcome. I'm very openminded.

Victoria

[mindy]

Anyway, AGREED - natural DOES NOT always equal GOOD. And just because it's NATURAL doesn't make it good to ingest. Can you say "PETROLEUM" boys and girls? I'm a big fan of Penn & Teller's "BS" program. I love the one they did on the health food craze. I go into Super Supplements and roll my eyes alot. On the other hand, I also buy good stuff from there, that I've already researched and thought about. As opposed to stuff the minimum wage staff is pushing for a kick-back...

I enjoy the fact that there are so many opinions on this subject - it's fascinating! It also speaks to the fact that there are no clear answers on some of this.

My late father was a chemist and I recall back in the 1950's/1960's when conventional wisdom was that it was healthier to eat margarine instead of butter. He, insisted that margarine was awful due to the trans fats (how many people talked about trans fats back then!) and that butter in moderation was fine. He drew me pictures of the molecular chains and patiently explained why.

I personally feel that some of the things we hear and read are probably good and others useless but I sure don't know how to differentiate. Even reading medical studies doesn't tell us much because it takes a number of studies before they can see a pattern and results are consistently statistically significant in the same direction.

Many of our medical docs can be terrific but ultimately they don't usually study alternative medicine (with rare exceptions) and they are way too busy to find the time to follow that.

So, as already suggested, we do our own research and try some things and see if they seem to help. Many years ago I tried the caprylic acid, etc. routine for candida albicans but for me it didn't seem to do anything. That doesn't mean it won't work for someone else.

Mostly I try to make reasonably sure that what I try at least won't be harmful and if I notice any bad effects I stop immediately. I also consider the source and search as much as I reasonably can.

Oh yes, and I do chuckle when people talk about "all those chemicals" in foods .... everything is made of chemicals, natural or not!

Mindy

[Arizona-Willie]

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Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." -Ronald Reagan

Good Quote Vader,

Of course. The Gipper was a GREAT leader.
Sure wish he was the man in charge, today...

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Yeah right ... campaigned on reducing the budget and instead the National Debt Quadrupled under his administration.

Then Bush Lite admired him so much he wanted to outdo him, so he took over with budget surpluses and put us in an unending, unjustified war and has ran the debt into the trillions. Your grandchildren will be paying it off.

It all stems from RayGun's policies.

He did his best to kill all government watchdogs regulating industry, including the food industry.

Now every week something comes out about some medicine actually being harmful instead of helpful but only after it has been hyped and sold for years to unsuspecting guinea pigs.

RayGun hated goverment but government is good and GREED is BAD.

Future historians will trace the decline of the U.S. to Regan's administration.

[Vader]

Aforementioned rhetoric aside, ....political debate would be better served on a political forum.

I was just expressing my admiration and high regard for a great American leader.
No more, no less.

[zzzzzz!!]

I personally feel that some of the things we hear and read are probably good and others useless but I sure don't know how to differentiate. Even reading medical studies doesn't tell us much because it takes a number of studies before they can see a pattern and results are consistently statistically significant in the same direction.

The tough part is that so many legitimate studies are very limited in scope or many of the others are paid for by someone with a vested interest in the outcome. Then we have many powerful lobbies in the US promoting their products to the government and telling us what we should be consuming, whether or not it really is good for us. Trying to find objective facts can be frustrating or next to impossible.

How we take care of ourselves is a personal choice, certainly. I have various health conditions and am seeing a practitioner of traditional Chinese medicine. TCM involves not only acupuncture but also herbal medicine, massage, and diet, among other things. With this I've really discovered what a difference what I eat makes in how I feel physically and mentally. As the saying goes, "You are what you eat." Everybody's different--every body's different--but I do feel strongly that what we put into our bodies has a huge effect on our health. That's also one reason I feel strongly about labeling requirements, so that the consumer can be the one to make the choice of whether or not to eat genetically modified products, for example, and other foods.

[socknitster]

The only thing that people don't seem to understand is that we as humans have genetically modified food since the first hunter/gatherers learned that they could save the seeds of plants and cultivate them over and over.

The seeds that they planted that produced good offspring were chosen over those that didn't. They didn't know that they were choosing based on genetics but they were.

As far as using antibiotics, etc. with livestock, there is no way that we could produce enough food to feed the earth's population if we didn't. We would have millions starving to death right on our doorstep if we didn't use the awesome products that chemistry/science has given us.

Also, we are not ingesting antibiotics from animals that we consume. Those antibiotics are broken down and eliminated from the animals bodies before we eat them. If, by chance, there were any residue, it is destroyed during the cooking phase. The resistance that we are seeing is from the over use of antibiotics in humans who do not take them correctly.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that all chemicals are great. For example, DDT, which did incredibly well at controlling mosquitos and helped to eliminate malaria in many parts of the world turned out to be an ecological nightmare.

My point is that we need to be careful about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

If you want a good in-depth look at how our modern agricultural practices have benefitted humanity almost beyond comprehension, check out Dr. Norman Borlaug: http://www.agbioworld.org/biotech-info/ ... index.html

I think you are stretching the truth. Genetic modification is NOTHING compared to selective breeding. Taking genes from other plants or ANIMALS and inserting them into a food for various reasons including WEED CONTROL in the field is lazy and dangerous.

I worked in a lab where we were trying to create transgenic aspen trees when I was young and stupid (i.e. not smart enought to ask whether or not we SHOULD do something, just whether or not we COULD do something.)

I think it is commonly known that antibiotics in our food supply are present and in quantities that are contributing to antibiotic resistence. That and kids with chronic ear infections getting 6 rounds or more of antibiotics each year. The tide is changing with antibiotics though. Doctors are being more cautious about prescribing them and parents are getting more educated about when they are and are not called for.

Round up ready corn will not be served on my table any time soon if I can help it.

Farming isn't easy. I know it. I grew up in a farming community and know lots of farmers. Round up ready corn isn't for farmers--its for a new industry that has pushed the honest small family farmer out of business to futher capitolism's hold on the US market. We would be better served to buy our food as local and small scale as much as possible.

I also don't think taking an anti-fungal cocktail is going to help you much. Eating a healthy balanced diet will do you a lot of good, but I'd be worried about taking a bunch of different unknown herbs and extracts. Oil of oregano, for example is widely used to fight fungus with anecdotal evidence being its only support, but its effects are known to be minimal in scientific studies.

GSE (grapefruit seed extract) is probably the best of the ones you mentioned (and has performed as well as pharmaceuticals in scientific reasearch), but I don't know if it is tested for safety for long term internal use. It is commonly used by home soapmakers to keep superfatted soaps from going rancid, which is why its in my home. I wouldn't consider taking it internally for long. It is natural, but natural isn't always safe. Ricin is natural and is the deadliest poison known to man. It is derived from the very pretty castor bean plant.

Believe me, I get your paranoia. Our world is a scary place. But we can't give in and have to remember moderation in all things is the healthiest method of action. Feelings of paranoia are not going to make you feel better when you are trying to fall asleep.
Jen