OSCAR review for a new user

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OSCAR review for a new user

Post by tohtohroh » Fri May 16, 2025 11:25 am

I recently bought a used CPAP (airsense 10) without a sleep test. I have previously been waking up gasping for air quite frequently so I knew I needed CPAP and all sleep centers near me were booked for the next 6 months. Since I don't have any doctor recommendations, I have been trying to dial in my CPAP settings and wanted some advice on the data that I'm seeing. Overall, there's already been a massive improvement in my sleep quality, I do wake up a bit tired but I'm falling asleep almost instantly and I feel much more rested. Since starting CPAP I've woken up in the middle of the night and end up falling back asleep without my mask on which is why there is a gap in data in the graphs, I think my body is still getting accustomed to CPAP but it hasn't been bothering me too much.

I am a bit concerned about my large leak, are my numbers normal here or should I be trying out new masks?
I tend to get one short high intensity period of apneas per night and other apneas spread across the night, is it expected to continue getting apneas during CPAP or can dialing in settings completely get rid of them?
I also was curious about my snoring: I'm an infamously loud snorer and have heard complaints from my family and friends my whole life, while according to the data my snoring seems to have drastically decreased there are still quite large spikes at times. Is this normal, or will it improve as I continue CPAP or dial in my settings?


I've included the last 2 nights of data, the second night I changed EPR from 3>2
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Re: OSCAR review for a new user

Post by robysue1 » Fri May 16, 2025 2:19 pm

tohtohroh wrote:
Fri May 16, 2025 11:25 am
Overall, there's already been a massive improvement in my sleep quality, I do wake up a bit tired but I'm falling asleep almost instantly and I feel much more rested.
This bodes well. Since you have already seen a massive improvement, you've got the incentive to keep at it.
Since starting CPAP I've woken up in the middle of the night and end up falling back asleep without my mask on which is why there is a gap in data in the graphs, I think my body is still getting accustomed to CPAP but it hasn't been bothering me too much.
It's a typical newbie problem. Basic advice is this: If you don't remember taking the mask off in your sleep, don't beat yourself up over it. But if the problem persists for more than a few weeks, you may need to trouble shoot the issue.

But it's also worth remembering: If you wake up and realize the mask is off and the night's not over, put the mask back on before going back to sleep. You seem to be doing that already.
I am a bit concerned about my large leak, are my numbers normal here or should I be trying out new masks?
Leaks are a somewhat "fuzzy" issue. For the most part, your leaks are not large enough to worry about in terms of the efficacy of your therapy. And the leaks that are officially Large Leaks don't last long enough to be a significant issue in terms of the efficacy of your therapy. If you're sleeping through these leaks, then I wouldn't get too worried about them (yet). But I would keep an eye on them. If the official Large Leaks start to occupy 15% or 20% of the night on almost every night, then I'd say it's time to start worrying about trouble shooting them even if they're not waking you up.

But having said that, any leaks that wake you up are disruptive to getting an uninterrupted night of sleep, even if they're not very big and not very long. It's one thing to have leaks wake you up a few times a week. It's a whole different thing to have leaks waking you up all night long.
I tend to get one short high intensity period of apneas per night and other apneas spread across the night, is it expected to continue getting apneas during CPAP or can dialing in settings completely get rid of them?
A short, high intensity period of apneas might either indicate that your apnea has a positional component and you flipped on your back OR that your apnea is worse in REM and you hit a REM cycle. It can be a bit difficult to tease out which might be the case. And then there's this: If you're dozing very lightly going back and forth between a very light sleep and wake, the machine can mis-interpret your wake breathing pattern as sleep disordered breathing and score a bunch of events, but these events are not "real" in the sense that they don't occur when you are actually fully asleep and they wouldn't be scored on an in-lab sleep test. (We call this sleep-wake-junk breathing around here.) The events scored between 23:15 and 23:45 on the night of May 14 are most likely SWJ breathing because it doesn't look like you ever got soundly to sleep during that time frame on May 14.

Once you have a better idea of whether the intense cluster of events that you're seeing is more likely to be SWJ or more likely to be real events occurring while sleeping on your back or in REM, then you'll have a better idea of whether your minimum pressure setting should be increased by a bit in order to try t prevent those intense clusters from happening.

As for whether you will continue getting apneas during CPAP: For most people, even when the settings are dialed in and optimized, a few events will manage to sneak through the CPAP defenses. Sleep docs will say that if the treated AHI < 5.0, you're doing great. Folks around here, however, would argue that if your CPAP settings are optimal and if you are sleeping well with the machine (meaning no extended periods of SWJ), then your AHI ought to often be under 1.0 and only rarely above 2.5 or 3.0. But very, very few people see an AHI = 0.0 night after night after night.

I also was curious about my snoring: I'm an infamously loud snorer and have heard complaints from my family and friends my whole life, while according to the data my snoring seems to have drastically decreased there are still quite large spikes at times. Is this normal, or will it improve as I continue CPAP or dial in my settings?
Yes, a properly set CPAP should eliminate just about all of your snoring. A few spikes of snoring in your data are't anything to be alarmed at at this point in your adjusting to CPAP. Should they persist or should your family start complaining that your snoring is still really loud, then that might warrant bumping up the minimum pressure setting a bit.
I've included the last 2 nights of data, the second night I changed EPR from 3>2
Which feels more comfortable to you as you're trying to get to sleep or trying to get back to sleep? EPR = 2 or EPR = 3?

On both nights, your AHI is pretty decent for someone who is just starting out, particularly with no doctor to work with. So pick the EPR setting based on comfort.
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Re: OSCAR review for a new user

Post by tohtohroh » Fri May 16, 2025 3:12 pm

Thanks for the detailed and thorough response!
But it's also worth remembering: If you wake up and realize the mask is off and the night's not over, put the mask back on before going back to sleep. You seem to be doing that already.
I've noticed I tend to think that its morning already when I wake up since I feel so rested and then fall back asleep without my mask which then leads to an hour or so of bad sleep > wake up >mask back on. I'm not too worried about this though as I expect its just growing pains.
We call this sleep-wake-junk breathing around here
Awesome, this is super valuable information. I tend to chill in bed a bit before i actually fall asleep so that's definitely what is shown in that time frame, but I do tend to see high intensity clusters after I've fallen asleep. I'll continue to monitor this before I make any adjustments for now. If this does end up being a positional component, will increasing minimum pressure help for periods I'm sleeping on my back? Or is that something that I will just have to deal with?

Glad to hear that the snoring should go away, it's been such a disruptive problem for me and those around me.
Which feels more comfortable to you as you're trying to get to sleep or trying to get back to sleep? EPR = 2 or EPR = 3?
After a few days of EPR 3, switching to EPR 2 didn't seem to make a difference at all in terms of comfort but (with limited data) seems to have made some improvements on my sleep quality. I spent most of my waking hours when I first got the machine wearing the mask to get accustomed to the feeling so I seem to have gotten pretty decent effects quickly which I'm happy with. The main reason I lowered EPR was because I was seeing max pressures of ~18 and I was worried that I was getting too close to max pressure, so I figured lowering EPR would give me more wiggle room in case of an extreme event.

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Re: OSCAR review for a new user

Post by robysue1 » Fri May 16, 2025 4:05 pm

tohtohroh wrote:
Fri May 16, 2025 3:12 pm
Awesome, this is super valuable information. I tend to chill in bed a bit before i actually fall asleep so that's definitely what is shown in that time frame, but I do tend to see high intensity clusters after I've fallen asleep. I'll continue to monitor this before I make any adjustments for now. If this does end up being a positional component, will increasing minimum pressure help for periods I'm sleeping on my back? Or is that something that I will just have to deal with?
If the clusters of events appear during times you're pretty sure you were asleep, then the culprit is probably your position or REM (or both). And in that case a small increase in minimum pressure is usually all it takes to prevent the clusters from happening every single night. Cross that road after you have more data.
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