Treating flow limitation causes more central apneas?

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The real question is: Do we have a zero-sum or positive sum game in this forum?
But I suppose that doesn't matter either, what's important is that I got the advice I needed in regard to sleep apnea.

IMO you missed that one, too.

Reread:

I'm still tired every day and something's bound to be causing it.

You know that there is a mile long list of things that can cause fatigue and sleep apnea and/or airway issues is but one item on that very long list.

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Once again Dave the religious philosopher reminds me of a song:

https://youtu.be/GzZ2IjmC3pE?si=IRNYREjvR7WFZXyY

Now that thar is "grasping the concept".

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IMO you missed that one, too.

Well I did reply previously saying that I've been looking at many things that could cause fatigue outside of sleep apnea, and have done countless blood tests for chronic virus, endocrine, protein markers, genetic disorders, etc... Only recently have I been focusing back on sleep apnea, so this is just a small aberration considering the other things I've looked at. But of course you are free to disagree, that's perfectly fine.
As I mentioned, after Ozij's last reply this question has been laid to rest and is no longer relevant to me.
I honestly don't even know why this discussion is still continuing.. but I guess it's partially my fault for replying to everything.
To everyone here, it's all good.

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I honestly don't even know why this discussion is still continuing.

Well, it is sort of a pleasant departure from all those "one and done" posters.

[lazarus]

I say, good thread.

And thanks for all the fish.

https://youtu.be/N_dUmDBfp6k?si=I59WnnGrnaK1PiC1

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No. that would be hypopneas

The reason why I asked is because the article below mentions that "for all practical purposes" following three terms are interchangeable: UARS, Flow limitation, RERA.
https://www.apneaboard.com/wiki/index.p ... _and_BiPAP
And when I do a search for UARS everything I read points to a possible partial obstruction.
To be clear, I'm not here to argue with you. Maybe there's a finer point you're making that I'm not seeing.

You have a tendency to conflate things that are not the same.

I tell you that you're *talking* about hypopneas but calling them flow limitations, and then you respond with something about UARS and FLs.

Do you see why trying to get through to you is frustrating? It's like you're being intentionally obtuse.

You can make anything look outrageous by playing with statistics.

Yes I agree, but when the statistics are combined with me feeling much worse, then I would disagree that it's manipulation.

As Pugsy said, not everything is sleep related. Trying to cram everything into the same bucket is a recipe for failure. No matter how good your sleep breathing disorder is treated, you will not feel spectacular every day, because sleep varies from day to day, hour to hour, and there are thousands of other variables that are caused by the squidgy meatbag on the end of the hose.

Because I'm not a snake oil salesman here creating something out of nothing. I actually did feel much worse. That was not imagination.

Oh, I'm sure you did, but it wasn't because of a *trivial* increase in central apneas.

In general a tripling could indicate a problem, or it might not. It depends on the problem and the domain I guess. In this domain I don't have much knowledge, so that's why I ask.

And you're arguing with the answers.

what did you just respond to? What did I just say?

I just don't know why you mentioned oxygen. The point you were replying to was when I was talking about how breathing more affects CA events. Then you mentioned oxygen and how it doesn't affect respiratory drive, but I did not believe you were addressing my question about how breathing affects blood gas levels, specifically CO2, and how that affects CA events.
Again, when you mentioned oxygen I simply said... OK, but is it CO2 then? If not, then I'm usually happy to learn more but if it frustrates you then you don't need to explain to me.
Otherwise you would be spinning yourself into a tizzy trying to explain the finer points which may or may not help me, no?

Go back and read again, and try to understand.

Sure, I may do so, or I may ask for more clarification if I don't understand. Alternatively, if you can explain more clearly, then be my guest.
Typically the better teachers I've had will break it down with more detail, diagrams, links to other sources, etc.. You haven't done that. Which is fine, you don't need to. Don't get me wrong, there are some things you've said which I've learned from, which is great.
For the things I don't understand, it's OK. Maybe I don't need to.

YOU said:

And because my flow limitations lessened, my body was getting enough oxygen,

to which I replied "Flow limitations don't restrict oxygen."

Does it make sense now what I was responding to? You made the incorrect assumption that a change in flow limitations affected your oxygen levels, and I was attempting to correct that incorrect assumption.

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Maybe we should whisper so he doesn't overhear us talking about him.

send him a pm!

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I honestly don't even know why this discussion is still continuing.. but I guess it's partially my fault for replying to everything.
To everyone here, it's all good.

understood.

but the dialog continues because OTHER people read forum threads and learn from them. at least, i'm assuming so because that's how i've learned so much over the years.

and as of this posting, 688 folk have read the thread.

so i can only hope that at least one of those 688, besides yourself, is learning something.

[lazarus]

688 folk have read the thread.

Either that or one guy checked the thread 650 times in between bites of popcorn.

Not that I'm confessing; I'm sure I only checked back maybe 500 times or so.

send him a pm!

I don't really use those much. And I only check my PMs when someone in a thread asks me to.

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And I only check my PMs when someone in a thread asks me to.

Check your PMs!

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Check your Private Messages