PAP nap

[onward60]

Has anyone had one of these? What happens in one? Was it helpful? Thanks.

[Julie]

What are you talking about? What's a pap nap?

[ChicagoGranny]

Has anyone had one of these? What happens in one? Was it helpful? Thanks.

----------------------------------->

The “PAP-NAP” is a daytime sleep study conducted to desensitize patients to PAP therapy, especially patients who have acute anxiety about using PAP due to insomnia or other anxiety conditions. The procedure contemplates the patient’s presence in the sleep lab or physician office for individual PAP coaching, an attended cardiopulmonary recording involving at least four channels, and instruction and fitting of the PAP equipment. The patient is then left to sleep briefly with the PAP to familiarize the patient with the equipment and pressure sensations in a controlled setting.

The entire procedure is attended by a sleep technologist and ranges from 3 to 5 hours in length, including patient check-in, instruction, approximately 1 to 3 hours of sleep time, and discharge.

https://www.sleepreviewmag.com/sleep-di ... g-pap-nap/

[onward60]

Has anyone had one of these? What happens in one? Was it helpful? Thanks.

----------------------------------->

The “PAP-NAP” is a daytime sleep study conducted to desensitize patients to PAP therapy, especially patients who have acute anxiety about using PAP due to insomnia or other anxiety conditions. The procedure contemplates the patient’s presence in the sleep lab or physician office for individual PAP coaching, an attended cardiopulmonary recording involving at least four channels, and instruction and fitting of the PAP equipment. The patient is then left to sleep briefly with the PAP to familiarize the patient with the equipment and pressure sensations in a controlled setting.

The entire procedure is attended by a sleep technologist and ranges from 3 to 5 hours in length, including patient check-in, instruction, approximately 1 to 3 hours of sleep time, and discharge.

https://www.sleepreviewmag.com/sleep-di ... g-pap-nap/

Thanks. I just wonder if anyone has actually done it and if it helped. I don't understand how being in the sleep lab (which I hate) is going to help me feel better about wearing a CPAP.

[ChicagoGranny]

I just wonder if anyone has actually done it and if it helped. I don't understand how being in the sleep lab (which I hate) is going to help me feel better about wearing a CPAP.

I have never seen anyone here mention it.

Might help, might be a waste. You might want to look at the comment by Tony Huff who administers PAP Naps - https://www.sleepassociation.org/sleep- ... a-pap-nap/

I would say keep working with people helping you in the forum. Stick to the other thread at this point. This helps people see the whole story - what you have tried so far.

[zonker]

Thanks. I just wonder if anyone has actually done it and if it helped. I don't understand how being in the sleep lab (which I hate) is going to help me feel better about wearing a CPAP.

yeah, i don't quite understand the benefit for the patient. it just seems to me to be another cynical way for the sleep lab to present insurance with billable hours.

what you MAY want to try is wearing your mask while NOT in bed. take it into the living room and do something distracting. read a book or watch tv. whatever.

it's not uncommon for our brains to reject this thing on our face. the subconscious sees this as a threat clinging to our face and wants to get rid of it.

distracting it will show that all is actually well and you can survive and thrive.

good luck!

eta: sorry granny. your right, should stick to the other thread.

[onward60]

I just wonder if anyone has actually done it and if it helped. I don't understand how being in the sleep lab (which I hate) is going to help me feel better about wearing a CPAP.

I have never seen anyone here mention it.

Might help, might be a waste. You might want to look at the comment by Tony Huff who administers PAP Naps - https://www.sleepassociation.org/sleep- ... a-pap-nap/

I would say keep working with people helping you in the forum. Stick to the other thread at this point. This helps people see the whole story - what you have tried so far.

That makes sense.

Hmm, I was trying to have one topic per thread because I thought I read that somewhere. No?

[onward60]

Thanks. I just wonder if anyone has actually done it and if it helped. I don't understand how being in the sleep lab (which I hate) is going to help me feel better about wearing a CPAP.

yeah, i don't quite understand the benefit for the patient. it just seems to me to be another cynical way for the sleep lab to present insurance with billable hours.

what you MAY want to try is wearing your mask while NOT in bed. take it into the living room and do something distracting. read a book or watch tv. whatever.

it's not uncommon for our brains to reject this thing on our face. the subconscious sees this as a threat clinging to our face and wants to get rid of it.

distracting it will show that all is actually well and you can survive and thrive.

good luck!

eta: sorry granny. your right, should stick to the other thread.

Thanks. Kind of what I was thinking. It's just that it was mentioned to me at one point. Love your signature, BTW!

[zonker]

Thanks. Kind of what I was thinking. It's just that it was mentioned to me at one point. Love your signature, BTW!

saw it at a local restaurant that puts up a lot of stuff like that.

[Pugsy]

I have read about pap naps being offered (long time ago) but I have never read here that any forum members participated in one. Doesn't mean no one has but it sure hasn't been talked about.

I think the idea of the pap naps is to try to help multiple people with various issues getting comfortable and being able to actually sleep with the mask and machine.

Plus I think that it can do some people some good to realize they aren't the only ones having problems.
Gives them a chance to talk to others as well as get some one on one help.
Misery loves company kind of thing and also lets people share hints and questions.

Like I can write all the descriptions about how to fit a mask but it might not be clear to you and would take me 30 minutes to type it and if I was with you I could show you in a minute.

Would it help you? Dunno ....but it wouldn't hurt and you might learn something. So that call is yours to make.

[Pugsy]

was trying to have one topic per thread because I thought I read that somewhere. No?

Well...usually when we admonish people to get back on topic it usually means the topic was derailed by snarky remarks.
It's the snarky crap that annoys me....

There is no hard fast rule here about 1 topic per thread.
When it comes to newbies to cpap....there's always a gazillion questions and while it doesn't really hurt to keep making new topics with each question all it does is make more work for everyone....you keeping track of all your different threads and us trying to remember what you might have been told.

I would much rather have 100 different questions in one thread than 100 different threads to sort through.
It's so much less work for everyone involved.

Now 6 months from now after you have sorted through the majority of your issues (and you will) then if something new pops up...start a new topic.

[onward60]

I have read about pap naps being offered (long time ago) but I have never read here that any forum members participated in one. Doesn't mean no one has but it sure hasn't been talked about.

I think the idea of the pap naps is to try to help multiple people with various issues getting comfortable and being able to actually sleep with the mask and machine.

Plus I think that it can do some people some good to realize they aren't the only ones having problems.
Gives them a chance to talk to others as well as get some one on one help.
Misery loves company kind of thing and also lets people share hints and questions.

Like I can write all the descriptions about how to fit a mask but it might not be clear to you and would take me 30 minutes to type it and if I was with you I could show you in a minute.

Would it help you? Dunno ....but it wouldn't hurt and you might learn something. So that call is yours to make.

I did have an extra mask fitting at the lab where I lay down hooked up to the machine and was checked for leaks. That was helpful in sorting through all the masks. I just don't know what is to be gained by actually trying to sleep in the lab. I'm a little suspicious that the nap part was invented to try to make insurance companies pay for it.

[Pugsy]

I'm a little suspicious that the nap part was invented to try to make insurance companies pay for it.

Don't blame you there. I have no idea what the fees would be for a pap nap.
After having an in lab sleep study twice...I know I would never fall asleep at this sort of thing but some people simply can't get remotely comfortable with the mask and they come here and tell us that they have yet to even fall asleep at all with the mask. Obviously those people need more help than they are getting from their medical care team.
Getting to sleep is actually the primary goal to start with. Without sleep none of this matters.

If you can at least get some sleep....it doesn't sound like you are in that category of need.

Mask issues...the hardest part to all this therapy IMHO.

Look at the mask I use....link in my signature line. It eliminates a lot of common issues.
Not really a nasal pillow and not a cushion either.

[onward60]

I'm a little suspicious that the nap part was invented to try to make insurance companies pay for it.

Don't blame you there. I have no idea what the fees would be for a pap nap.
After having an in lab sleep study twice...I know I would never fall asleep at this sort of thing but some people simply can't get remotely comfortable with the mask and they come here and tell us that they have yet to even fall asleep at all with the mask. Obviously those people need more help than they are getting from their medical care team.
Getting to sleep is actually the primary goal to start with. Without sleep none of this matters.

If you can at least get some sleep....it doesn't sound like you are in that category of need.

Mask issues...the hardest part to all this therapy IMHO.

Look at the mask I use....link in my signature line. It eliminates a lot of common issues.
Not really a nasal pillow and not a cushion either.

I did click and look at that. Very interesting. I don't think that was one of my choices. Does that one blow air directly into your nostrils?

I did my sleep study at home, BTW, with my daughter actually playing technician and doing all the hard stuff. I could never in a million years sleep in a lab with somebody video recording me. That is so creepy! Just typing that is making me get a catch in my chest.

My daughter came to the DME N20 small fitting so I was not anxious there. But she could not come to the F20 medium lab fitting. I was so anxious and flustered it was all I could do to not walk out the door. I managed to get through it somehow. I get upset that I can't understand things any more and my memory is so poor. It's just hard to face alone. And sometimes providers are unkind and impatient or they just talk too fast. Both of the ladies at the lab area actually nice but they are both very animated and talk very fast and get off topic. Seems like a bad personality fit for someone in a sleep lab.

[Pugsy]

I did click and look at that. Very interesting. I don't think that was one of my choices. Does that one blow air directly into your nostrils?

Yep. Works like a nasal pillow but without the little bit of stuff that goes inside the nostril.