Autoscan 5.7 Software question

ianash · Post by **ianash** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:24 pm

Hi

I have a problem with the Resmed Autoscan 5.7 software. When I save the data from the smartcard to my patient file, I am finding that some of the days the data is missing. However, if I open a new patient file, the data is downloaded properly. Any ideas on why this may be happening?
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Arizona-Willie · Post by **Arizona-Willie** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:51 am

The missing data seems to be related to the time of day you transfer data to the card.

The default setting in the software is to NOT overwrite the old data. So, if you download data from the machine with a missing day, and then next week you download again -- the missing day info is there the second time but does not overwrite the old empty day because of the default setting.

If you go in and change the default to overwrite old data, then all the old days will show up.

As I remember, if you download data from the machine to the card after noon the card data shows that day with no readings. So, with the default setting, that day gets written as empty and then the next time you download data it does not get overwritten unless you have changed the default to overwrite old data.

This can be avoided by always downloading data to the card at the same time -- say 9 am -- but that isn't always practical.

So far, I haven't seen any downside to overwriting old data. I've only been a cpap addict since June though.

Now I better write myself a note to download data first thing in the morning and put it in the software so I can start a new file for the new year with the data ending exactly on the 31st.

Hmmm, I wonder if there is a way to erase this years data from the card and start over.

ianash · Post by **ianash** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:40 pm

AW, many thanks for the reply. I'll try to download in the morning.
Regards
Ian A

pedroski · Post by **pedroski** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 5:00 pm

[quote="ianash"]Hi

I have a problem with the Resmed Autoscan 5.7 software. When I save the data from the smartcard to my patient file, I am finding that some of the days the data is missing. However, if I open a new patient file, the data is downloaded properly. Any ideas on why this may be happening?
Thanks Ian A[/img]

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:38 pm

I lost a day's data that way myself, forgetting to download before noon. I'll tell you an interesting thing I've had happen w/the AutoScan and I have absolutely NO idea of what I did or didn't do to cause it.

I took a nap that day from 1 PM to 3 PM. Then I didn't go to bed until 2 AM and slept until 8 AM. In the Usage Profile bar graph the nap 1-3 PM is solid blue - BUT - the 2 to 8 AM bar is outline in blue but not filled in, its just white. Now I have other days around that same time wherein I also took a nap and then went to bed late and those bars are all solid blue on the graph. All the data is there in the other statistics. Go figure! This occurred almost a month after that day of lost data.

Daffney_Gillfin · Post by **Daffney_Gillfin** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:07 pm

Anonymous aka Slinky wrote: I took a nap that day from 1 PM to 3 PM. Then I didn't go to bed until 2 AM and slept until 8 AM. In the Usage Profile bar graph the nap 1-3 PM is solid blue - BUT - the 2 to 8 AM bar is outline in blue but not filled in, its just white. Now I have other days around that same time wherein I also took a nap and then went to bed late and those bars are all solid blue on the graph. All the data is there in the other statistics. Go figure! This occurred almost a month after that day of lost data.

I've found two ways for that unfilled bar to happen. One is if there are 5 or more mask on/mask off events in the 24hr period. That is documented in the help file.

I figured out that most of the time that this happens to me, I am dumping the data to the card too soon. It seems that any time I write to the card within ~10 minutes after shutting off the CPAP, that the bar is unfilled for the entire night.

When it happens, I close my data file without saving it if I've dumped it to my ongoing file. (I often dump it to a new file, and check the data before dumping it to my ongoing data file.) Then I stick the card back into the CPAP to be written again after I'm sure it's been off 10 minutes. If you export your data, you'll find that it records for 7-8 minutes after you've shut off the CPAP. I guess it wants to make sure you're not coming back soon? Yeah. I don't really know why it does that.

pedroski · Post by **pedroski** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:08 pm

Anonymous wrote:I lost a day's data that way myself, forgetting to download before noon. I'll tell you an interesting thing I've had happen w/the AutoScan and I have absolutely NO idea of what I did or didn't do to cause it.

I took a nap that day from 1 PM to 3 PM. Then I didn't go to bed until 2 AM and slept until 8 AM. In the Usage Profile bar graph the nap 1-3 PM is solid blue - BUT - the 2 to 8 AM bar is outline in blue but not filled in, its just white. Now I have other days around that same time wherein I also took a nap and then went to bed late and those bars are all solid blue on the graph. All the data is there in the other statistics. Go figure! This occurred almost a month after that day of lost data.

Hi Slinky,

On the day you had the nap that was shown in the Usage Profile as solid blue and the rest of the night as an unfilled rectangle, can you remember if you had a bad night's sleep? Or had several mask off events? I think the unfilled rectangular bar is related to mask off events. I know if you have more than 5 you will get a 5+ at the far right of an unfilled rectangle on the graph, but I think if it's two or more it still shows as unfilled?

Peter

Slinky · Post by **Slinky** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:28 am

Thanks, Pedroski. Interesting thought. Giggle. Heck, I can't remember yesterday much less way back to 08 December!!

However, I haven't had a problem that I am aware of of having ever taken the mask off my face w/o turning the PAP off. Of course, with this (to my way of thinking) stupid practice by the PAP makers of having the buttons stay lighted when the machine is off is totally confusing to me anyway. Off to me means OFF! No lights on. I can't tell you how many times at first I would walk into the bedroom during the day, see the *&^% button lights on and hit the button to turn them off resulting instead, of course, in turning the *&^% machine on!

Anyway:

Thu - 07 Dec 06 - Pressure: 6.4 - Leak: 0.44 - AHI: 6.2 - AI: 0.8 - HI: 5.4 - Used 00344 hrs - Usage: 0060 nts - Day: 5.54 hrs [Nap 7:30-8:30PM] [2 AM - 7:30 AM]
Fri - 08 Dec 06 - Pressure: 6.4 - Leak: 0.66 - AHI: 6.2 - AI: 0.1 - HI: 6.1 - Used: 00352 hrs - Usage: 0061 nts - Day: 8.12 hrs [Nap 1-3PM ] [2 AM - 8 AM]
Sat - 09 Dec 06 - Pressure: 6.4 - Leak: 0.48 - AHI: 11.9 - AI: 0.4 - HI: 11.5 - Used: 00359 hrs - Usage: 0062 nts - Day: 6.37 hrs [11PM-5:30AM] [*RA 6-8:45 AM]

Those are the only notes I have for that day and the preceeding and succeeding day. I do round off the time rather than exact times when I take a nap, go to bed, get up, etc. The RA means room air, ie. I cheated and slept w/o PAP.

pedroski · Post by **pedroski** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:14 am

Slinky wrote:
However, I haven't had a problem that I am aware of of having ever taken the mask off my face w/o turning the PAP off.

Sorry mate,

By mask off I mean the machine is off, and not recording, so it records when you start off again as another rectangle in the Usage Profile. If it's only a short break, I'm not sure how long, (from Daffney_Gillfin's post maybe it's 8 minutes), it will just show as a continuous block.

I notice your nap was pretty late in the day on the 7th, did that stop you having a good sleep later in the night? Oh you said already you couldn't remember.

How do you go sleeping on room air?

Peter

Slinky · Post by **Slinky** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:25 am

Actually I slept good on room air from 6 to 8:45 AM. BUT - those are ALWAYS my best hours for sleeping. Even if the ONLY sleep I get in a 24 hour period is from roughly 6-8:30 AM I feel better and more rested than the days that I don't sleep during that 2-2 1/2 hour period. Go figure.

Even w/PAP I get up at least once or twice a night to piddle and that doesn't take long. I take the mask off, shut the machine off, go to the bathroom, put the mask back on, turn the machine on and usually back to sleep. And as you say the graph bar stays solid and doesn't show those breaks.

What I got on 08 Dec was a solid bar for my nap and then that outlined in blue but not filled in bar for the hours I slept on PAP. Yet the day preceeding (and other days when I've taken a nap) the nap is solid blue and the later night's sleep is also solid blue.

pedroski · Post by **pedroski** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:40 pm

Slinky wrote:

What I got on 08 Dec was a solid bar for my nap and then that outlined in blue but not filled in bar for the hours I slept on PAP. Yet the day preceeding (and other days when I've taken a nap) the nap is solid blue and the later night's sleep is also solid blue.

Hi Slinky,

Did you put the card in to the machine after your nap?
Did you put the card in after you got up in the morning within 8 minutes of turning the machine off?

I tested Daffney_Gillfin's idea that the machine will give an unfilled block if you put the card in straight away and don't wait for 8 minutes, and she was right.

I posted a screenshot here. I put the card in as soon as I woke up this morning, then went back and did it again later. I should have taken a screenshot of the first screen too. It was unfilled for what is on the screenshot a solid bar.

You can see from the previous night I had a similar graph to yours I think, and I think that was because I stopped the machine less than 5 times but more than 2. Anyway, it's interesting.

Cheers

Peter

Slinky · Post by **Slinky** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:58 pm

Aha!!! I'll bet that is it, Peter!!! Generally I am awake and up before my husband so I don't insert the card in the machine to get the data until after he is up and about and I go in to make the bed. Since I slept in until 8:30 AM or so I can assure you he was up and outside already doing morning chores by the time I got out of bed!

Voila! I was pretty sure someone here would be able to figure out the answer to this puzzle if there was one! THANK YOU. Curiosity killed the cat you know.

How the divil did you post that AutoScan graph to this forum thread?? Poor SleepyDave nearly lost his mind trying to help me figure out how to scan and send the graphs from my sleep and titration studies!!! We gave up. Poor man, I don't think he's recovered yet.

pedroski · Post by **pedroski** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:15 pm

You're welcome. Now we've got to work on that flight of stairs business!! (Joking!!)

To post an image, first post it to the web somewhere, if you don't have a website, you can email it to me and I'll post it for you. (PM me for my email address).

Then hit the Img button above the posting window, then insert the url of the file's location on the web, then hit the image button again. You have to have the Img button before and after the url and then it will display as an image whatever is in between.

Peter

Slinky · Post by **Slinky** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:22 pm

Thanks, Peter. I think I don't do something right when I scan the image or when I save the image before I try to post it at kodak (photobucket kinda confused me).

It came out too small and SleepyDave couldn't enlarge it to be readable (the numbers).

I'll try one later tonight.

These last couple of weeks my mood has improved, especially since this AutoPap loaner so those around me don't have to be (quite) as worried about being around me and a flight of stairs. (Wicked grin)

pedroski · Post by **pedroski** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:33 pm

Slinky wrote:Thanks, Peter. I think I don't do something right when I scan the image or when I save the image

It might be that the resolution you are scanning at is too low. See if you can increase the resolution to at least 150 dpi.

It may also be that when you are saving it, you may be saving it as a file to send to the web or by email, which will shrink the file. If it's doing that, change the setting to save it as a normal file (don't shrink it).

Good luck.

Peter

PS Good to hear about the wicked grin and the flight of stairs!!

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