CPAP water tank hacks

[GuanYu201]

I was just wondering if CPAPtalk.com is an appropriate site to post a CPAP water tank hack that was done. The hack was on an Airsense 10 water tank to make it compatible with a SoClean travel sanitizer.

[LSAT]

I doubt if there would be very much interest since most here do not believe that So Clean is necessary or healthy to use with CPAP.

[D.H.]

SoClean and other CPAP sanitizers are not approved by the FDA. They might be in big trouble, as they are making health claims in their marketing that is not authorized by the FDA.

Here's an article to this affect ===> https://medicaldialogues.in/pulmonology ... ight-63603

[palerider]

I was just wondering if CPAPtalk.com is an appropriate site to post a CPAP water tank hack that was done. The hack was on an Airsense 10 water tank to make it compatible with a SoClean travel sanitizer.

The only thing we recommend regarding SoCrap is to throw it out. Using one voids Resmed's warranty, because it destroys the inside of the machine.


https://www.resmed.com/us/dam/documents ... letter.pdf
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-a ... one-gas-or

[chunkyfrog]

SoClean . . .

Voiding the warranty on a $$$ machine to save pennies worth of soap
--and very minimal elbow grease (FREE)
Go figure.

[Dog Slobber]

CPAPTalk.com is absolutely a good place to post water tank hacks.

Having said that, the absolute majority here discourage the use of SoClean. We are well aware of:

• The dangers of Ozone to humans
• The incompatibility of ozone and same materials that causes harm to equipment
• Sanitizers do not clean and sanitizing is not necessary
• Not one CPAP device manufacturer encourages Ozone based sanitizers, and some discourage them

Our positions are well supported to authoritative sources. So post away, if you like. It won't be well received.

[chunkyfrog]

Past, present, and future.
Ozone = BAD IDEA.
Simple enough?

[ChicagoGranny]

SoClean

You've been scammed:

Risks:
The residual smell of ozone may be unpleasant and risky. Ozone exposure is potentially dangerous among those with respiratory conditions. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration describes it as a “toxic gas with no known useful medical application.” The Environmental Protection Agency says that relatively low amounts of ozone can cause shortness of breath and worsen chronic respiratory disease.

In fact, ironically, exposure to it may compromise the body’s ability to fight respiratory infections.

...

Ultimately, the available CPAP cleaners and sanitizers seem unlikely to provide additional cleaning capacity beyond standard methods of cleaning with soap and water. There is no evidence that these devices reduce the risk of infection.

These companies also have no financial interest in investigating this possibility. The devices sell well without any such study. This may reveal much about the motivation behind the recent push in direct-to-consumer marketing of the product, beyond the science supporting its use.

A Word From Verywell
Further research may be helpful to determine if these devices have any role in routine CPAP therapy. The risk of infection is so small, and the evidence for benefit so weak, that these devices are not currently recommended. Save your money and buy a lifetime supply of liquid dish soap instead!

https://www.verywellhealth.com/do-you-n ... in-4171650

From a microbiologist with 25 years experience with sterilization and disinfection of equipment and facilities used in the production of sterile pharmaceuticals:

I will give you some facts, and I base the facts on the fact that I am the one who works in the industry of low temperature sterilzation

1. So Clean claims they use the same technology as is used in hospitals. LIE - the hospital ozone sterilizers cost upwards of 100,000.00 and require an O2 farm (a room with 15 to 20 tall O2 cylinders) to provide pure oxygen to extract the ozone. Besides the fact that SoClean lied about this, why on earth do you think a 300.00 device can even come close to what a 100,000.00 device can do. If SoClean was validated to sterilize or even high level disinfect, hospitals would have hundreds of them rather than the 100K devices. The SoClean just does not have the power to do what you think it does.

2. It does not clean. Period. You think it does, place a small dab of peanut butter in your hose and see if it is still there when the cycle is complete. You think this is not a good test, it is the basis of the VA soil test, the test that all medical cleaners must pass or they cannot claim to clean.

3. Amazon reviews - nothing but feel good stories. I have not read one Amazon review that can factually claim that the SoClean kills germs. If you know of one, please post the link because I would like to read it. What is the basis of a 5 star review when all they can go on is they like it? Meaningless.

4. I did own a SoClean on the 30 day trial, when I realized what it was vs. the claims they make I returned it under the 30 day return policy. Why not just get one of the room ozone fans and hang your mask in front of it, they would both do the same thing which is nothing.

I am just repeating the same thing I have typed here about a hundred times; for now on I will just say it is awesome, give the scammers your money, you will love it.

viewtopic/t157842/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1 ... 9#p1210375

Edit: SoClean is being sued for False Advertising and other violations of law - https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/14 ... clean-inc/

Edit: ResMed changed their warranty terms to include a statement that use of an ozone-cleaning machine may void their CPAP machine warranty.

January 8, 2020
To Our Valued Patient,
ResMed announced an update to its limited warranty that may affect whether you choose to use an ozone
device with your ResMed machine and mask. Please review the detail of this update below.*

ResMed user guides advise patients to periodically clean ResMed machines, components and masks with
mild detergent and warm water only. Some patients choose to use other means to clean and/or disinfect
their machines. With the increased use of ozone devices, ResMed has observed that prolonged and
repeated use of an ozone device may eventually cause internal damage to a ResMed machine, leading to
an increase in motor noise.
Warranty update: Effective for sales of ResMed machines on or after February 1, 2020, ResMed’s limited
warranty will exclude damage to ResMed machines caused by use of ozone devices. The limited warranty
on ResMed masks, with the exception of ResMed AirTouch™ products, will not be affected.
ResMed is not taking a position on whether you should use an ozone device. That decision is up to you, as
the patient, to balance the convenience of using an ozone device versus the likelihood of potential damage
to your ResMed machine. ResMed is reinforcing the cleaning instructions in its machine user guide:
periodic cleaning with mild detergent and warm water is all that is required with a ResMed machine,
component or mask. This letter requires no action on your part.
If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact the manufacturer of the ozone device you are
currently using or, for medical advice, your physician.
Sincerely,
Your home care provider

https://www.resmed.com/us/dam/documents ... letter.pdf

[chunkyfrog]

" . . . MAY void . . . "???



Of course, it will!
I was not born yesterday--I have the gray hair snd wrinkles to prove it!

[Dog Slobber]

" . . . MAY void . . . "???



Of course, it will!
I was not born yesterday--I have the gray hair snd wrinkles to prove it!

"... MAY void ...", MAY is the language that should be used.

ResMed's letter is clear that if it determines a problem is consistent with damage from Ozone then you can't get it repaired via the warranty. Damages that are not consistent with ozone damage will still be covered.

[ChicagoGranny]

Is anyone else old enough to remember when "void" was a polite word for "urinate"?

[chunkyfrog]

Fudging on warranty denial is quite common.
Resmed might not do it--but DME's, another story.

[MaluFizzgig]

Is anyone else old enough to remember when "void" was a polite word for "urinate"?

I thought it was also for pooping.

[Goofproof]

Is anyone else old enough to remember when "void" was a polite word for "urinate"?

I kept getting it mixed up with Terminate! Jim

[Lifeisabeach]

Is anyone else old enough to remember when "void" was a polite word for "urinate"?

I tend to associate it with the depths of space. Or the depths of my imagination.