Thoughts about Tongue placement

[ragtopcircus]

Some people claim that they can train their tongue to prevent mouth breathing.
This MIGHT be true--but not for everyone.
My tongue needs rest, please.
It has been busy all day--talking, eating, kissing, etc.

It’s true for me. However, it’s not the tip of my tongue that forms the seal, as usually described. It’s actually the mid-tongue area. I can open my mouth up to an inch or so and stick my tongue out without losing the seal.

Initially, I had trouble with mouth leaks a few times per night, but not anymore. The mouth leaks always woke me immediately.

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[palerider]

My family funded the 34,250 sq ft Parvin Cancer Research Laboratory now known as the UCLA Molecular Biology Institute. They also paid for the advanced schooling of hundreds of doctors from around the world.

Credibility, you ain't gots it.

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[palerider]

My family funded the 34,250 sq ft Parvin Cancer Research Laboratory now known as the UCLA Molecular Biology Institute. They also paid for the advanced schooling of hundreds of doctors from around the world.

Credibility, you ain't gots it.

My Aunt and Uncle... Phyllis and Albert Parvin. How about we make a little bet. I prove this message is to be true and you admit you're totally inept at judging people. .https://www.chemistry.ucla.edu/sites/de ... 0-1978.pdf

Since the Albert Parvin Foundation was established in 1960, it has supported a number of education programs, Mrs Parvin said. Parvin gave $1 million dollars as seed money for the construction of a new molecular biology building at the University of California at Los Angeles, for Paul D. Boyer, who shared the Nobel Prize in chemistry with John E. Walker and Jens Christian Skou in 1997.
"It seems as if I had won the prize" when news came, Mrs Parvin recalled. "Just the little gifts, and they send wonderful ripples around the world," she mused.

I don't know why you think that just because you allege rich relatives, that makes you an expert in what causes obstructive apnea.

I suppose you'll spin a tale about the cpap mafia that's keeping the fine public from knowing about the simple solution to SDB.

[zonker]

This is why I don't post here with my 13 year old account. Some mods here will do everything to misdirect you.

which mods are those? can you be specific?

this is a legitimate question, not snark.

good luck!

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[zoocrewphoto]

The device you are selling is NOT going to make my airway wider, my jaw any larger, or my allergies any better. I can't even pass a peak flow meter test on a good day, wide awake and standing up. In over 20 years, I have NEVER managed to produce a normal result on that test. My airway is too narrow.

If you claim to be some expert, post your REAL name and prove. Otherwise, I call BS. Just a scam to try and get us to buy some stupid device that is NOT going to reduce my sleep apnea ahi from 80+ to less than 2. You will need some sleep studies with the device to prove its effectiveness. If it worked that well, insurance would be jumping all over it to save money.

[Jas_williams]

I have idiopathic central sleep apnoea how will this device help my SDB ?


Also please provide more information on links being deleted unless your messages were pure spam then yes your account would be obliterated and for good reason.

[ragtopcircus]

I experimented with just about every oral appliance on the market before accepting that I needed xPAP.

Tongue Advancement Devices were indeed, for me, far more effective than Mandibular Advancement Devices. However, it was hard to keep in, and as others have said, it didn’t address the whole problem.

I got the best results by combining a WoodyKnows Nasal Dilator, a Good Morning Snore Solution TAD, and a Z-Quiet MAD. The Z-Quiet was not very effective by itself, but it helped me keep my tongue flat so it wouldn’t pop out of the GMSS. This rig forced me to be a nose breather too. However, the nasal dilator did not open the nasal passages as well as PAP with a nasal/pillow mask.

The catches were: I had to sleep with my face on a rag or hand towel because of the drooling, it still didn’t solve the whole problem, it was hard to sleep with, and I rarely kept all that stuff in all night. I usually had to look for it each morning.

The pictures in this thread look like a knockoff of the Aveo, which I tried, along with another knockoff, but I liked the GMSS better.

While tongue advancement did have merit in principle, for me, it just wasn’t practical or ... enough. If it had been, I wouldn’t be using the Vauto now.

My father was an early CPAP user, with obstructive and central apnea. As a widower dating again at 48, I was very resistant to chaining myself to the big noisy boat anchor. As long as I was careful to be the last one asleep, I could slip all the plastic in discretely, and it all fit in the pocket-sized Z-Quiet case.

Long story short, my fiancée, a Registered Nurse, told me “it’s time” to give up on that stuff and start PAP. She was right. In return, I made her drag her Respironics out of the closet, looked at her data (bad), and gave her a Resmed For Her.

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Otherwise, I call BS. Just a scam to try and get us to buy some stupid device that is NOT going to reduce my sleep apnea ahi from 80+ to less than 2.

Genius, It was not my product and your reading compression is less than zero. Darwinism at it's finest. It was a $1.20- $ 1.50 item shipped from China by a plethora of ebay sellers. I can't imagine those Chinese sellers making more than 10 cents profit. Enjoy that lynching crew mentality and choking every night. You're clearly not worth helping.

I just cleared my own posts. No need to waste my time here...

[zonker]

I just cleared my own posts. No need to waste my time here...

nor ours.

[Dog Slobber]

I just cleared my own posts. No need to waste my time here...

The fact that you feel it's necessary that you go back and clear all your posts, because a couple people disagree with you, says an awful lot about you.

[zoocrewphoto]

Otherwise, I call BS. Just a scam to try and get us to buy some stupid device that is NOT going to reduce my sleep apnea ahi from 80+ to less than 2.

Genius, It was not my product and your reading compression is less than zero. Darwinism at it's finest. It was a $1.20- $ 1.50 item shipped from China by a plethora of ebay sellers. I can't imagine those Chinese sellers making more than 10 cents profit. Enjoy that lynching crew mentality and choking every night. You're clearly not worth helping.

I just cleared my own posts. No need to waste my time here...

Since we don't have your real name, and you insist on promoting a product here, it's a pretty good bet that you are trying to sell the product.

You are also trying to gain credibility buy claiming you were involved with the pulse ox, yet again, you won't give any real info that can be verified. Most of us learned a long time ago not to believe claims by anonymous people.

[Janknitz]

It’s true for me. However, it’s not the tip of my tongue that forms the seal, as usually described. It’s actually the mid-tongue area. I can open my mouth up to an inch or so and stick my tongue out without losing the seal.

Yes!

When I was a child I loved to play in the swimming pool for as long as my parents would let me. One of the things I liked to do with my friends is have "underwater tea parties". We'd take a big breath of air and sit on the bottom of the pool pretending to drink tea (pinkies up!) and have a conversation. We could open our mouths and "talk" without breathing in water. Why? Because the muscles of the throat and the mid-tongue are what can seal off the airway while we talked (talking sounds very distorted under water--an endless source of amusement to an 8 year old!). Water would enter the mouth when we talked, but it did not go into the airway.

When the tip of the tongue seals to the roof of the mouth, you are positioning the tongue properly to let the mid-tongue and pharyngeal muscles seal off the airway. The tip of the tongue itself isn't "plugging up" the airway.