OT: Internet Etiquette

[Grace~~~]

I don't have children but I've recently begun playing my first computer game on my iphone.

It's a little violent as it has bombs and dynamite and lightning triangles you can combine. It's also vaguely *arte*-sy if internet things can be *arte*? (And if you have a good printer, I think yes 'arte' can be made on the internet). The game is FISHDOM.

anyway ~~~ I am looking for more seasoned Internet Folk to give me an opinion on this local Florida story.

~~~and cpaptalk is really my only internet portal.

https://www.wftv.com/video?videoId=9775 ... ersion=1.0

[ChicagoGranny]

I am looking for more seasoned Internet Folk to give me an opinion on this local Florida story.

That 15-year old is either very stupid or very dangerous. Of course, we can't know from the news story which is correct.

I wonder if he has a father in the home? Male children need to be told when they are 13 years old that they are a man or they will soon be a man. Certainly, by the age of 15, it should be made clear to them that they are a man and are expected to act like a man. The right person to do this is a father living under the same roof.

In this case, I believe a Class II Felony charge was appropriate. Now, the justice system needs to get to work and determine if the 15-year old is very stupid or very dangerous.

[Jack Burton]

That 15-year old is either very stupid or very dangerous.

Possibly both.

[Dog Slobber]

I am looking for more seasoned Internet Folk to give me an opinion on this local Florida story.

That 15-year old is either very stupid or very dangerous. Of course, we can't know from the news story which is correct.

I wonder if he has a father in the home? Male children need to be told when they are 13 years old that they are a man or they will soon be a man. Certainly, by the age of 15, it should be made clear to them that they are a man and are expected to act like a man. The right person to do this is a father living under the same roof.

In this case, I believe a Class II Felony charge was appropriate. Now, the justice system needs to get to work and determine if the 15-year old is very stupid or very dangerous.

I think we've determined that he is very stupid. What needs to be determined is; if he is just very stupid or if he is very stupid and very dangerous.

[Grace~~~]

Thanks for the comments. I appreciate the insight.

Clearly making death threats written or oral is stupid.

I also watch almost no television or movies (for decades) though I don't feel like I am completely "out of touch" with the world.

I thought at least 'some' of the games these kids were playing were a kind of fantasy role playing? I know how things can be taken out of context. I know how jokes can me misconstrued.

I hope we can trust the Volusia officials to be able to see through nuance. I've seen "moderation" online that makes me wonder?

I love the quote "Tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance".



The ideas of freedom and free speech, freedom of the press, freedom of "arte" ... freedom to play games or make jokes or to cuss like a monkey - or to express opinions like saying that "a MAN should be in that home raising his son!**" ... these ideas of freedom seem endangered to me.

Let's hope this is a smart 15 year old and that this experience makes him smarter!

...or if he really IS a sick puppy then is there hope for straightening him out if he's already 15?


(** a sentiment with which *I* completely agree)

[chunkyfrog]

Children who are much too familiar with violence are more comfortable
thinking about it, talking about it, and eventually doing it.

[jimbud]

Children who are much too familiar with violence are more comfortable
thinking about it, talking about it, and eventually doing it.

I agree.

I remember when the "experts" on violence were railing that "The Looney Tunes" cartoons were considered too violent for children to watch.
The murderous video games kids can now access, make them look like home movies of choir practice.
It has to desynthesize them.
There is no reset in real life.
Parents do your job.

JPB

[Goofproof]

Maybe we could show children the reality of violence, crime and a life of poor choices, but where could we find subjects to show them? Certainly not in prison, they are treated better that many hard working people. Jim

[Lucyhere]

I wonder if he has a father in the home? Male children need to be told when they are 13 years old that they are a man or they will soon be a man. Certainly, by the age of 15, it should be made clear to them that they are a man and are expected to act like a man. The right person to do this is a father living under the same roof.

Yes, that's the ideal situation. However, as we know, certainly not the norm. I, as well as several of my friends, were single moms when raising our sons. Today my son is involved in computers and does very nicely. Other boys raised by single moms I knew are doctors, engineers, and one is an attorney. My husbands two sons were essentially raised by their mother, with some financial assistance from their father. Both are attorneys and partners in the law firm they started together.

It's ideal to have a dad in the house but good citizens and successful men can come about from being raised by strong, single women.

[ChicagoGranny]

It's ideal to have a dad in the house but good citizens and successful men can come about from being raised by strong, single women.

And sometimes, the best thing for the kids is to move the father to the opposite coast and get a restraining order.

My husbands two sons were essentially raised by their mother, with some financial assistance from their father. Both are attorneys and partners in the law firm they started together.

Oh, I'm so sorry they turned out to be criminals.

[Lucyhere]

My husbands two sons were essentially raised by their mother, with some financial assistance from their father. Both are attorneys and partners in the law firm they started together.

Oh, I'm so sorry they turned out to be criminals.

Cute...

[Midwest_non_sleeper]

I am looking for more seasoned Internet Folk to give me an opinion on this local Florida story.

determine if the 15-year old is very stupid or very dangerous.

As a law enforcement officer who has had to work some of these types of incidents, this can very likely be possible, however, it is my experience that it's the former in most cases rather than the latter of those two. Believe it or not, but this is a rather common occurrence, because people (especially kids) think that they're automatically anonymous online, so they just say whatever they want. Generally, people are not anonymous in an online environment, unless they've taken steps to deliberately make themselves truly anonymous, or are named Palerider.

Here's the problem for us: When we receive a call or information that someone made a comment such as this, we MUST act swiftly, because we simply have to assume that it's going to happen if we don't act. We can't assume that it was just a joker "shitposting" on some website and sharing memes. We act on the probable cause and make the arrest, because we're not psychiatrists or psychologists, so we don't know if the person was just joking (which again is the most often case), or is a legitimate psychopath that has a violent bone to pick. So we make the arrest and let the courts determine, through the use of the aforementioned experts, if the person is a danger. To not do so, and something does happen where scores of people are killed...well, that would be a miscarriage of justice, even if we didn't know or think it at the time. But, as I've detailed, that isn't an excuse.

However, some people will say that it is a blatant violation of the 1st Amendment. I would direct those people to several court cases that detail this out. The 1st Amendment does protect speech, however, there are a thin set of limitations, one such being the one proposed by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes when he said that "falsely shouting 'fire' in a theatre and causing a panic" is NOT protected. Though the weight of that statement is in the latter part, the "causing a panic" is the problem. The "fire" part is protected, but only when it does NOT induce panic.

This is in line with the kid in this example saying what he did about the school. The problem is inherently not that he said it, because that would be protected, the problem is that it caused panic. With the totality of circumstances, the statement is not protected and he will now have to deal with the consequences. The more difficult part will be determining if there is culpability in there somewhere. Was there intent, either knowingly or recklessly, to cause panic or to actually go through with the actions proposed by the statement.

[Grace~~~]

AS ALWAYS, that was a great post midwest_non_sleeper.

I don't really understand video games but it's my understanding that he thought he was in a more closed group. Not something obviously public like cpaptalk. He thought he was talking to the same group of kids that always played together and "talked trash".

They were lamenting about having to go back to school. Wanting to keep surfing all day and playing video games during the storms.

When he wrote "I, so and so, VOW ... to go in a shoot up school" that wasn't his name ( nor was it his online avatar name ), it was a known joke name. The school wasn't mentioned.

It was seemingly way less severe than pulling a fire alarm and everyone gets to miss class. Though I think you get arrested for messing with a fire alarm for sure.

In my VERY limited time online (and even occasionally in real life) I've seen EXPERT "trolls? / enemies" who can delete, cut and paste and know all kinds of tricks to make someone look guilty of something they did not do.

They use moderation or officials as their weapons of choice.

To *me*, a person who bears false witness or sets someone up is guilty of a more serious crime, but they seem to get away with it all of the time.

Does law enforcement have a name for those type of crimes and scenarios?

I am super impressed with how our local officials have handled it thus far, but do they have the time to care about who might really be behind this even being brought to their attention?

[ChicagoGranny]

local Florida story 15-year old boy

Will he grow up to be Florida Man?

[jimbud]

One of many:

Florida Man.jpg

JPB