OT: Repeating Pattern of Bullying & Locked Threads

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Re: OT: Repeating Pattern of Locked-Threads

Post by Goofproof » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:16 pm

kteague wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:49 am
djams wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:55 am
I'm able to sit on work emails that I've written when I'm pissed off. Maybe the forum could add a "save as draft" feature for people like me. :lol:
There is a "Save As Draft" option when composing a post. Thanks for the reminder to consider using it! :lol: I've done a whole lot of erasing in the years I've been here, but there have been a handful of times a cooling off period might have left me feeling better about what I'd said or not said. As to locked threads, I've been here 13 years and can remember maybe 3 until recent months. KnightSleeper, I'm sorry you were misinformed. If someone told you there was a pattern of locked threads going on for five years, they gave you misinformation as to the timeline.
Maybe a pattern of more locked threads is needed. To those Touchy Feel (I won't say the L Word here) It causes them to breed, out there, need to find a forum with Ice Cream and Unicorns, populated by Slugs with no opinions or if you can't find one start one.

But they won't, they come to create change and discontent. They think they have a Right to Control everything, but they don't create anything on their own. (Putin the Effort or Pay the Bills). To bad we can't go back in time when people had values, but that had to be passed down from our parents and elders, schools can't teach that.

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Re: OT: Repeating Pattern of Locked-Threads

Post by babydinosnoreless » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:22 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:32 am
Sometimes we have to laugh when we can do nothing else.
Laughter, like tears, cleanses the spirit.
Anger only produces more tension, more pain.
It is unproductive.
To quote Knightsleeper since he is so fond of quoting all of us:

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It's good that everyone keeps their sense of humor or else we'd all go crazy! - - Btw, thanks Zonker for your compliments/good wishes in your earlier post! Thankfully, there are lots of good people like you guys & oakie who are willing to help beginners get better. It looks like there just might be light at the end of the tunnel..."

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Re: OT: Repeating Pattern of Locked-Threads

Post by palerider » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:49 pm

Dog Slobber wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:10 pm
I encourage everyone to judge for themselves the honesty and integrity of KnightSleeper.
Looks like those qualities are below zero in that particular case.

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Re: OT: Repeating Pattern of Locked-Threads

Post by palerider » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:50 pm

babydinosnoreless wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:22 pm
It looks like there just might be light at the end of the tunnel..."
And with luck, it's not an approaching train! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: OT: Repeating Pattern of Locked-Threads

Post by Midwest_non_sleeper » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:59 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:32 am
/snip
Anger only produces more tension, more pain.
It is unproductive.
While I agree with your statement, anger, in and of itself, is not unproductive. It can be a great motivator. As an example, many of you know that I am in law enforcement, but I have never really gone into what exactly I do. My specialty is crimes against children, specifically, internet crimes against children, to include computer and mobile device forensics. You can imagine what that entails. It certainly makes me angry. But I do not direct that hot anger towards people I know are not culpable, or who I perceived to have somehow slighted me, instead, I use that anger and refine it into a brilliant singularity of increased motivation to do the job better and faster.

The problem resides in which direction that motivation is directed. Anger is most often directed to persons outside of ourselves, while the reality is that many times, it need be directed inside where it can be used for good. The problem with this though, is that in order to accomplish that task, a strong base of values is needed.

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Re: OT: Repeating Pattern of Locked-Threads

Post by palerider » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:02 pm

Pugsy wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:14 am
all I would be doing is wearing out rulers slapping people's hands all day.
What? do these people think you're the Penguin from The Blues Brothers?

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Re: OT: Repeating Pattern of Locked-Threads

Post by zonker » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:56 pm

Dog Slobber wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:10 pm
KnightSleeper wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:04 am

And I'd like to thank Steve of Cornubia who stated the obvious: "Wow. I think the pile-on here is disgraceful. It's starting to look like bullying, and no dissent will be tolerated. -Bye." - - - Of course then one "low-life-member" of the gang quickly tried to put Steve in his place for fostering such an idea!!!

Above is how KnightSleeper represented me and and the post I made.

I encourage everyone to judge for themselves the honesty and integrity of KnightSleeper.
doesn't this count as "abuse"?
people say i'm self absorbed.
but that's enough about them.
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Re: OT: Repeating Pattern of Locked-Threads

Post by zonker » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:48 pm

zoocrewphoto wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:27 am

Unfortunately, some people think that disagreement means bullying. I wish everybody would stay nice in their comments, but I don't think it gets bad that often. I can't remember if Pugsy was added as a moderator because of alphabet boy or the spam attacks, but it was a good idea, and Pugsy would have been my first choice and probably many people's first choice. She has done a great job.

I remember when I first started going online (back when it was newsgroups, before Netscape). I was taught that you have to have a thick skin. I was also taught yo read posts for a bit before posting, figure out how things go first. I don't think that things are any worse than back then. But people seem to complain a lot more.

what you've sparked something in me that i've been thinking about for some time. i'm hoping that i can word this so that what's in my mind will flow out of fingertips, making sense to others.

i don't think this can be categorized as "these kids these days". but i do think it's a change in what the internet has become as more folks come aboard and start using it. zoo, the time you talk of was when computers were pretty bulky. they were desktops. they were tethered to the wall by a phone line. one used that computer at night, after a days work. OR as it morphed into something that was used at work, well that's where one used it too. but only in limited amounts of time.

it was still the home computer where you did the bulk of web browsing. and you paid a lot for that privilege. it was more expensive, because you were paying for long distance connections, if you were connecting to hobbyist bulletin boards across the country. so you were separated by distance, money and time.

if you were having a discussion with someone, you kind of had to think over what was being said. after you had logged off, it might be sometime before you contacted that one person or persons you were exchanging messages with. you had more time for contemplation; more time to mull over what you were going to say. and also more time to digest what the other(s) said.

over time, we now have an internet that is "social media". we have the internet in the pocket computers that we call phones. (though hardly anyone uses them for telephones that you use for conversation by voice.) hell, i carry one too and it's very convenient. "where was that target store again?". do a search and get a map of directions!

i think this leads to a lot of down time being filled by us with checking those messages, here or facebook or wherever you hang out. and you see AT ONCE all of the injustice being perpetrated and you, of course, have to answer that RIGHT AWAY. and then check it ten minutes later to see if that *sshole has decided to respond.

there's no time to calm down and consider the other person's point of view. it's down to a zero sum game. i'm right. you're wrong. now, die in a fire.

am i guilty of this? more than i like to admit. i'm not typing this on a phone. i'm home on that desktop computer. but i no longer work for a living. i find myself with time on my hands. and there are days when i keep coming back here, multiple times a day, just to see what the current outrage is.

i know it's not healthy and i try to knock it off and go outside.

and sometimes i DO that, sometimes i don't.

anyway, not trying to be the old man who yells at clouds. not saying it's those damned kids who are ruining it.

i'm just someone who is trying to get on with my life.
people say i'm self absorbed.
but that's enough about them.
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Re: OT: Repeating Pattern of Locked-Threads

Post by djams » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:27 pm

kteague wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:49 am
djams wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:55 am
I'm able to sit on work emails that I've written when I'm pissed off. Maybe the forum could add a "save as draft" feature for people like me. :lol:
There is a "Save As Draft" option when composing a post. Thanks for the reminder to consider using it! :lol:
Thank you for pointing this out! I hadn't even looked for it, just assumed it wasn't there. :)

kteague wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:49 am
I've done a whole lot of erasing in the years I've been here, but there have been a handful of times a cooling off period might have left me feeling better about what I'd said or not said.
No way! Everything I've ever read of yours has been thoughtful, sound, and phrased in a very supportive way. You're claiming that you're not SuperWoman? Even you are susceptible to the less desirable human emotions? Say it isn't so! :lol:

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Re: OT: Repeating Pattern of Locked-Threads

Post by zoocrewphoto » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:51 am

zonker wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:48 pm

what you've sparked something in me that i've been thinking about for some time. i'm hoping that i can word this so that what's in my mind will flow out of fingertips, making sense to others.

You've mentioned a lot how the internet has changed, and I believe you are correct. I am still old school in many ways. For example, I do not use my phone (or ipod touch) for this forum. And I rarely access it from my laptop. So, mostly on my desktop at night after work or on my days off, but not when I am traveling like last weekend.

I do check facebook more often as that works well on my ipod touch.

Internet access and social media really has changed over the years, and we do tend to react quickly and check frequently for updates. I can see how that causes problems sometimes.

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Re: OT: Repeating Pattern of Locked-Threads

Post by Mum's The Word » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:54 am

Hi KnightSleeper,

I think I qualify as a member who's been here a while but doesn't post much.

I don't check the forum daily. I only read the posts that interest me.

I have learned so much about cpap by reading about other people's experiences. I have been on cpap for over four years. My husband has been on it about three years. If I have a specific concern, I can usually find good information has already been posted and discussed. I can then solve most issues either of us might have. If a thread isn't helpful, I stop reading. My understanding is that we are all peers here. (With Pugsy as the great exception. :D )

My motto in life is 'The only behavior I can control, is my own'. I can't control what other people say, or don't say. I can only decide for myself whether to get involved passively by reading, or actively by adding my own comments.

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Re: OT: Repeating Pattern of Locked-Threads

Post by Midwest_non_sleeper » Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:31 am

zonker wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:48 pm
zoocrewphoto wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:27 am

Unfortunately, some people think that disagreement means bullying. I wish everybody would stay nice in their comments, but I don't think it gets bad that often. I can't remember if Pugsy was added as a moderator because of alphabet boy or the spam attacks, but it was a good idea, and Pugsy would have been my first choice and probably many people's first choice. She has done a great job.

I remember when I first started going online (back when it was newsgroups, before Netscape). I was taught that you have to have a thick skin. I was also taught yo read posts for a bit before posting, figure out how things go first. I don't think that things are any worse than back then. But people seem to complain a lot more.
/snip

i think this leads to a lot of down time being filled by us with checking those messages, here or facebook or wherever you hang out. and you see AT ONCE all of the injustice being perpetrated and you, of course, have to answer that RIGHT AWAY. and then check it ten minutes later to see if that *sshole has decided to respond.

there's no time to calm down and consider the other person's point of view. it's down to a zero sum game. i'm right. you're wrong. now, die in a fire.

am i guilty of this? more than i like to admit. i'm not typing this on a phone. i'm home on that desktop computer. but i no longer work for a living. i find myself with time on my hands. and there are days when i keep coming back here, multiple times a day, just to see what the current outrage is.

i know it's not healthy and i try to knock it off and go outside.

and sometimes i DO that, sometimes i don't.

anyway, not trying to be the old man who yells at clouds. not saying it's those damned kids who are ruining it.

i'm just someone who is trying to get on with my life.
I see someone has been using that pesky logic around here. The truth is, there is a method to the madness. As studies are beginning to show, social media can be detrimental not only to people, but also to society as a whole. People are more likely to highlight the positive areas of their life and forego the bad parts on social media, which makes other people compare their relatively droll lives to the best parts of others' lives. This can cause depression. Additionally, it has now been shown that getting responded to in a tweet, a text, or on Facebook activates the reward center of the brain, so we desperately check for new messages in order to feel those rewards in the form of a small dopamine hit. You've hit on something very profound here, and most people just skim right by it. I read all that I can about it, because I generally find it interesting how social media and both the benefits and negative consequences affect society as a whole. I found a decent amount of information online about it, as there is beginning to be an abundance.

Above all, social media giants have a vested interest in keeping your eyeballs glued to your phone/computer/tablet, because that generates money for them, consequences be damned. They harvest your interests, and then sell that data to advertisement companies. The only product they sell is you and your interests. YOU are their product and social media has been a wildly successful commercial experiment in order to turn easily malleable humans into cold hard cash. Let that sink into your noodle for a bit.

In some ways, they purposefully engage in sowing dissent, because if people are angry, they use social media more. If people are depressed, they naturally want to experience that dopamine hit, so they turn to social media in order to get it, while not realizing that social media may be the thing that is making them angry and / or depressed in the first place. It takes a tremendous amount of self discipline to overcome this, and young people just normally don't have that much.

It's radically maniacal and brilliantly genius at the same time. We are, metaphorically of course, rats in a maze and the cheese has been placed in the corner.

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Re: OT: Repeating Pattern of Locked-Threads

Post by Jas_williams » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:50 am

YAWN!!

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Re: OT: Repeating Pattern of Locked-Threads

Post by ChicagoGranny » Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:47 pm

Jas_williams wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:50 am
YAWN!!
Ain't it the truth!

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Re: OT: Repeating Pattern of Locked-Threads

Post by palerider » Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:49 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:47 pm
Jas_williams wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:50 am
YAWN!!
Ain't it the truth!
GRANNY! You're in COLOR! (Colour for Jas) ;)

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