UARS - my self therapy

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UARS - my self therapy

Post by c_doe » Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:13 am

Hey folks,

tl;dr: Have a lot of symptoms matching those of UARS, giving CPAP a try. one week in, massive difficulties with sleeping with CPAP, but made some improvements the last night.

Long version:
I like to share my story here, maybe others find value in it and maybe some of you can help me along the way.
Reading other peoples story already helped me a great deal!

I've been struggling with morning tension-type headaches, fatigue and dizziness for a couple of years now. For the most part I made bruxism responsible for that. I tried various splints, mouth guards, relaxation techniques and physical therapy in order to get in under control. Nothing has helped. Blood and overall health is in perfect condition...

Out of frustration I bought a jaw-clenching audio-biofeedback headband, which records the times I clench per night and chirps whenever I clecnch. It showed pretty low values and only made a sound when I moved around... it puzzled me. I was so sure that I clench my teeth a lot and so did my physician, although there isn't that much wear to see on my teeth. After that I installed an infrared night camera to record my sleep, I thought maybe I see my grinding and clenching with it. I realised however, that jaw clenching might not be the issue after all. The recordings showed no excessive clenching or grinding whatsoever, but that I have quite a restless sleep. I move around a lot and four to five times per night I do strange things with my arms for a couple of minutes. I hold my hands to my head and due to gravity they fall back down, so I put them up again, rinse and repeat. Knowing that its probably not very accurate, I bought a sleep tracker armband and it showed too little REM and deep sleep. It finally came to me, that something is wrong with my sleep.

I went to a sleep physician and got a home PSG. Oh boy did I not slept that night... the pressure of having to sleep in order to have some data to analyse kept me awake. I finally slept for 2 hours though and it turned out I have severe snoring, but no apneas. As I had a couple of nights with video data from my sleep I knew that I do not snore at all. My girl friend was surprised by this as well, as she never hears anything from me at night. She only complains about my arm movements, which sometimes land in here face *ups*. The physician said I could spent a night in a sleep lab to find out more, but it may be more difficult for me to sleep there than at home and the wait time is 5-6 months.
I also bought a pulse oximeter to record my oxygen levels at night. They were normal on the PSG, but I wanted to see how they look at a full 8-hours night. I have about 20 events per night where my oxygen level drops by 4% or more. Nothing to worrisome I guess, but when I compared them to those of my girl friends, my levels look like a roller coster.

So I went home and did what every physician probably fears the most. I googled.
I found out that there is indeed something as inaudible snoring and I came upon Upper Airway Resistance Syndrome.
The similarities where eye-opening for me. I'll list a few here:
  • Small, slightly recessed jaw and small neck
  • Lean body (BMI < 21)
  • slightly crowded teeth, wisdom tooth extraction when I was 16
  • Bruxism, jaw tension, headaches
  • Feeling of restless sleep
  • Can't sleep on my back
  • Cold feed
  • Problems with my gut
The findings where sufficient for me do buy a CPAP machine on my own and give it a try. After digging through some posts here, I bought a ResMed 10 AutoSense for Her, with a Swift FX nasal mask. I was very wrong in my assumption, that I could give it a try for a couple of nights and see if I have any improvements.

I'm wearing the thing now for 5 nights and last night was the first night where I managed to get a little bit of sleep with it. I actually had my first dream with it and guess what it was about – the CPAP machine. I dreamt it had a malfunction and increased the pressure to the max and I couldn't turn it off. Woke up a moment later, checked the pressure and everything was normal.
I can tolerate the mask, but turning in bed is difficult because the hose tends to get stuck somewhere in between and pulls on my mask.
The pressure however, this is really difficult for me. I have a really hard time falling asleep with it. But last night was some kind of milestone I guess.

My settings are:
APAP, 6.6 - 10 Pressure, ERP on 2 and no Ramp.

The sleepyhead data is not that interesting for now. Last night I had an AHI of 0.67. No apneas, no RERAs. But from what I've read, the data isn't that interesting for UARS anyways. I'm feeling like shit today, so I guess it's still a long way to see if CPAP does anything good for me or not. At the end it could be, that I don't have UARS at all, and something different is giving me a bad sleep.

I only have one question for now.
The only thing that still makes me uncertain about the whole thing. I usually feel much better in the afternoon or in the evening. Sometimes my symptoms are gone by the end of the day. Is this something other UARS oder OSA people see in themselves as well?


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Re: UARS - my self therapy

Post by c_doe » Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:38 am

@LSAT: did I miss anything? I read the post and thought I included everything important.

Attached is one of my SpO2 reports. It looks like this most of the nights. I would be interested if there is any valuable information to take away from this?
Especially interested in the drops happening 2-3 times per hour.

22 events of 4%-SpO2 drops for more than 10 seconds
ø SpO2 is 95%

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Post by HoseCrusher » Tue Jan 29, 2019 12:22 pm

It looks like the event at about 01:25 was real, but did not result in a desaturation below about 90. You had another one at around 05:25 but that also has the appearance of a movement artifact, like you rolled over.

Overall, you look good from an oxygen perspective.

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Post by palerider » Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:45 pm

Post some charts, give me something to work with. (instructions in sig).

Your pressure is probably not high enough to open up your airways well.

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Re: UARS - my self therapy

Post by c_doe » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:04 am

Here a three from the last nights.

Thanks!

Woke up at the end with a dry mouth. Was sleeping maybe around 22:22...
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Same here, woke up at around 1:00 with dry mouth
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This was probably the best night so far... again woke up at the end with dry mouth.
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Post by palerider » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:23 am

Let's start by bumping up your minimum pressure. 7.6 or 8... Set the max to 20, just so we don't have to worry about it.

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Re: UARS - my self therapy

Post by c_doe » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:49 am

Thanks I'll try tonight.

btw. could the flow limitation be an other indicator towards UARS... or is a flow limitation rather normal when falling asleep and it's just how one responds to it, by either sleeping through it or waking up (arousal).

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Post by palerider » Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:41 am

c_doe wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:49 am
Thanks I'll try tonight.

btw. could the flow limitation be an other indicator towards UARS... or is a flow limitation rather normal when falling asleep and it's just how one responds to it, by either sleeping through it or waking up (arousal).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gie2dhqP2c

FL is caused by a narrowing of the airways, which makes it harder to breathe... try breathing through a straw for a few minutes, you can still take a good deep breath, it just takes you longer to do it, because the straw limits the flow rate. It increases the breathing effort, and causes disturbed sleep.

I wouldn't say they're a normal thing, no.

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Re: UARS - my self therapy

Post by c_doe » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:42 am

I increased the pressure to 7.6 this night. Breathing was ok and the Flow Limitations went down a bit.
I also used this: https://faceformer.de/en/ to seal my mouth. It's a device to train your tongue and pressure of your lips. Should be helpful for snoring.
The sealing worked pretty good... however I woke up. I think I tried to breath trough my mouth, which didn't work obviously. I couldn't fall asleep after and put the mask down.
I don't remember the time, but there is this one big peak of flow limitation around 22:38. Maybe it happend there.

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Post by Padron192664 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:50 am

c_doe wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:13 am
I only have one question for now.
The only thing that still makes me uncertain about the whole thing. I usually feel much better in the afternoon or in the evening. Sometimes my symptoms are gone by the end of the day. Is this something other UARS oder OSA people see in themselves as well?
I was diagnosed with possible UARS too. I find this true as well. Usually in the afternoon and evening "brain fog"/disconnected feeling starts to lift a bit and not as fatigued. I went thru this years ago and CPAP helped relieve a those but it took some time (months) before I saw results. Going thru it all again since I quit using CPAP and was feeling fine. What a mistake!!! Just want to be able to sleep thru the night and not wake up as much.

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Post by c_doe » Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:17 pm

Thanks for your reply. Helps a lot to hear from others.
Did you stopped CPAP, because you couldn't sleep through the night? Or is UARS keeping you awake?
Because without CPAP I actually don't have any "obvious" sleep problems.

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Post by Padron192664 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:42 pm

Everything was going fine with cpap back in 2012. I didn't use it one night and felt fine the next morning. Did it again the next night same and so on until I just stopped using it. This past summer, for a reason unknown, I started to have the same problems that I had about 8 years ago so I decided to start using it again.

My sleep problem without CPAP is I only sleep 5 hours a night and wake up feeling like shit. Tried all the insomnia stuff, hygiene, sleep restriction etc for a few months but nothing got better so I decided to do the cpap thing again. Have no idea why it flared up again but hopefully I as well as you can figure it out.

It seems to just take time for the body/mind to feel okay with sleeping and not having to be on alert about waking up due to airway resistance but first it needs acclimate to the mask and pressure

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Post by werther » Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:58 am

Your story is kind of similar to mine. Was only able to sleep for about two hours in the sleep lab as well. But in contrast to you, during those two hours, I had no snoring at all, although my girlfriend observed me snoring, choking and gasping for air many times. The doctor diagnosed me with insomnia :?

Also just bought a machine. Unfortunately, I take my mask off subconsciously after about 2 hours, but in those hours I have no Apneas but some flow limitations (which results in my machine going from 7 to sometimes over 14 pressure).

Will pay close attention to your posts :)

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Re: UARS - my self therapy

Post by c_doe » Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:48 pm

Good luck with your therapy!
Can you post a sleepyhead screenshot with your flow limitations. I still get them too.