New no headgear nasal mask....Bleep/DreamPort...not a pillow and not a cushion

[Pugsy]

Starting a new thread on this since Jason just released a video and I know there are going to be questions and a need for discussion.
The Bleep...now has a name...DreamPort
See the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZzaY2KAt0c&app=desktop

One of the old thread discussions but lets keep any new discussions here in this new thread.
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There may be others but this one is the only one I have handy right now.

Per the video....supposedly official release date in January.
I will try to get my grubby little paws on one sooner. If I do I will let you know.

And yes...there is already a HCPCS billing code for it and Medicare will pay which means other insurance will pay.

[Dreaming1]

The DreamPort billing codes are A7034 (Mask) and A7033 (nasal pillow cushion). Jason (Lanky Lefty 27) said “it’s a Game Changer...the coolest, most innovative cpap mask” he’s ever seen. It looks like he’s going to be selling it too, made it seem that way with some comments he made. It appears to NOT be a nasal pillow at all; nothing went inside Jason’s nose. It’s not a nasal pillow or a standard nasal mask at all, but a hybrid.

[Pugsy]

I am going to assume that since the adhesive things are going to be the consumables at one night of use only and since they are going under the nasal pillow replacement codes...which normally means 2 per month...that the replacement packaging will probably have a 2 week supply in one package and 2 packages allowed per month. At least that would be a common sense schedule and packaging.
Of course it remains to be seen how things finally get packaged. Common sense doesn't always win out.

The monthly consumables cost will probably be a deal breaker for some people who don't have insurance.
Might be a deal breaker even if they do have insurance depending on out of pocket co pays involved especially if someone has deductibles to meet.
Most people don't/won't use 2 pillows per month currently...I know I sure don't.
But if I did....my copay with Medicare is roughly 4.50 a pillow. Assuming copays will be the same since the code is the same...$10 a month for the Bleep/DreamPort would not be a deal breaker for me if it met all my other wants, needs and preferences.
Now if I didn't have insurance....$60 a month for the sticky thing...no way in hell.

BUT....once it is out there and established and lots of product available...watch for it to be less costly on EBay or Amazon.
Someone always seems to buy in bulk big enough to sell cheaper. That's going to take a while though. At first it will be scarce and hard to find and price will be jacked up.

[Dreaming1]

Still though, it’s not much worse than what contact lenses used to be, and people paid far more for those to start with until the pricing came down. But even then, disposable contacts still can run more than a $1 a day. Depends on your problems with your mask whether you pay more for it.

[Pugsy]

Yep...it's all going to boil down to personal wants, needs, preferences and pocketbook.
Pretty much just like everything else in life.

[ChicagoGranny]

Dr. Colin Sullivan was the inventor of CPAP. The first masks he produced had no headgear and were glued to the patients' faces. This was in the early 1980s. We've come full circle.

Medical grade rapid sealing silicone was used to create the seal between the patient and mask.

https://www.footit.com/blogs/news/the-h ... n-sullivan

[Grace~~~]

Since this is a "game changer" I wonder if they could come up with a silicone tube ventilator type hose?

That hose looks stiff, heavy and unfriendly. Even the gimmicks in Jason's video to show how strong the seal is made me cringe. I think they would be better pitching a special hose WITH this system! Particularly as those silicone hoses already exist and could just be sold as an upgrade feature to those already less concerned with price.

They could also research if a blackhead removing type tape could be used and thus the treatment of the adhesive would have an added POSITIVE benefit. I wonder what strippers use on their nipples with pasties?

Admittedly though, I just don't like the idea of getting tangled in that hose. I definitely have some weird and unreasonable issue with the hose? I like the dreamwear because the hose comes out the top of my head and I don't see it or deal with it?

It's probably some Freudian Phallic power issue ?
...or just not having a lifetime experience of what to do with my hose ...

[ChicagoGranny]

I wonder what strippers use on their nipples with pasties?

I liked toupee tape back in the day.

[Pugsy]

They could also research if a blackhead removing type tape could be used and thus the treatment of the adhesive would have an added POSITIVE benefit.

I want something even stronger...a tape that will exfoliate those damn whiskers that are 1000 times bigger than normal hairs and grow so deep I swear they go to my ass when I pull them out. Probably would also do a darn good job getting the dead skin off too.

I did notice the hose...it didn't seem to be quite as flexible as what I am using now but I learned a long time ago that with any mask out there nothing is ever going to be perfect. There's always going to be something that I might prefer to be just a little different.

I always thought that if I could duct tape my P10 to my nose I would have a 99% perfect mask...no headgear and silent vent.
I am more curious about venting and darth vadar noises with this new mask than I am about the hose at this point.

It's why we get to try new things and why its fun and challenging and sometimes the worst idea ever.
I was excited about it long ago when it was still in the prototype stage. Even more excited now that I see what Jason says about it.
He's like me...shoots straight about something and tells the good, the bad and the maybes. He is quick to admit that no mask is ever totally perfect and just how well any mask might suit someone is going to be mainly dependent on the individual.
At least he didn't say it was a crap idea...and he would sure do that if that's what he thought...and I have tried some masks that I thought were the most horrible idea I have ever seen and wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy.

It's been a while since I tried a new mask...the last one was the DreamWear Full Face mask last spring.
Not interested in the new ResMed F30 at all so didn't want to get one. The headgear is a total turn off for me. I want less on my face and head...not more.
So I am looking forward to trying something pretty much totally different. I did do the TapPap no headgear nasal pillow for over a year but it uses the mouth guard to hold the pillows in place. Deal breaker for some people with dental issues or missing teeth.
Like I said...for years I have been looking at these pillows and wondering "how can I just tape these suckers to my face"...and now someone has done it for me. I am anxious to try it. Will I like it, love it, hate it, or just bleh okay but that's it....dunno but we have to try something to learn something.

I find that experimenting helps with the boredom and we all learn something...and even if all we learn is what a bad idea something was...we still learned.

[Dreaming1]

I’ve seen several videos on this mask and the tube is super flexible. I think Jason just didn’t go to many lengths to show that, but was trying to get across tugging on the hose, which made it appear straight and non flexible. There’s supposed to be a 7 or 8 foot long tube that gets rid of the short tube swivel and the standard hose rubber connection. Some of the videos made it seem far more flexible than the P-10, from what I saw. Have you seen the one where it gets shaken back and forth real crazy and the tube is flexing all over smoothly?

[Grace~~~]

This mask does seem like it would be a great surefire way to find out if any leaks are coming from out of the mouth. Like a *for sure* diagnostic mask that all sleep centers should use. (And the disposable aspect would work well in that setting too, I'd guess?)

Seems SUPER SUPER dangerous though to tape your nose and mouth but I guess for those that do tape maybe it should all be just one big piece of tape?


These bleeps are a good costume look too ... the snorting cosplay crowd may drive up demand and lower the price for all? Someone needs to hashtag them

Looking forward to your review Pugsy. I hope someone gets you a box soon!

[LSAT]

I wonder what strippers use on their nipples with pasties?

I liked toupee tape back in the day.

Got any pictures???

[ChicagoGranny]

Got any pictures???

Better than that. I've got videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR6wWoBa6ds

[Pugsy]

This mask does seem like it would be a great surefire way to find out if any leaks are coming from out of the mouth. Like a *for sure* diagnostic mask that all sleep centers should use. (And the disposable aspect would work well in that setting too, I'd guess?)

Seems SUPER SUPER dangerous though to tape your nose and mouth but I guess for those that do tape maybe it should all be just one big piece of tape?

Did you know that the first night I ever taped we had a thunderstorm and lost power? Yep..sure did. You know what woke me up...it was the silence and not lack of air. We can move some air through the vent holes and in truth enough to not kill ourselves. Might not be all that comfortable and will require a bit of work but we can do it. One of the tests I did prior to actually going to sleep was tape to my mouth and breathe through the mask and not have the blower be turned on just for that reason. I wanted to see if I would get uncomfortable breathing only through the mask even without power to add air and the lips being taped closed. I never did get uncomfortable ...I got bored after 30 minutes and aborted that experiment. Between that experiment and the fact that I woke up when the power went off more from the silence than discomfort...that's why I never feared taping after that. I will admit to being a bit nervous about doing it before I did it though.

And yes....single piece of tape is all I ever did and one that would/could come off fairly easily. My thought was always that is was more important for me to breathe than worry about leaks if the power went out.

This new mask would be a good way to figure out if someone was mouth leaking or mask movement leaking....Pretty much would eliminate mask movement for sure wouldn't it? With it properly in place the only place left for leaks to come from is the mouth.

[Dreaming1]

A couple reasons I’m excited about this DreamPort Bleep Mask. I think what’s cool is that it’s NOT a nasal pillow mask at all. The other has to do with my dad. My dad is a pap user (I’ll blame him for my having to use cpap and not the 40 lbs hitched up over my waist) and he used to wear a nasal mask many years ago, when he was getting started, and it cracked open the bridge of his nose so bad that it left a scar and a callous. Looks like a fighter’s nose now that it’s healed from so long ago. Anyway, he switched to a nasal pillow mask because of that, and the nasal pillows have enlarged his nostrils so much they look like they need manhole covers to close them off. I mean they are huge now, where they used to be normal looking. Luckily, he doesn’t care, but it’s super noticeable that they have grown. He hates the feel of new nasal pillows too (for the reason above) and so do I. We both complain to each other about our nostrils burning when we get new pillows. I’m not sure what it is about the new ones hurting so much, but I prefer a worn pair to a new pair. I for one want to use the DreamPort because nothing goes in the nose and feels like a hot poker shoved up there, and secondly because it would never tear my nose open like a nasal mask, but you get the feel of breathing on a nasal mask like Jason said in the review. To me that’s two big reasons to use it.