AirFit P10 headgear question,......

[Mark55]

I am considering getting a P10 to try while the BF sale is going on, and it's less than 75 bucks. I still like my Brevida just fine, but I have always wanted to try the P10 since it seems so popular.

Anyhow,.......what's the deal with the headstrap? It appears to not be adjustable, and I can't fathom how that would work out considering people have different size/shape noggins. Mine is on the larger side with a 7 1/2 hat size, and I certainly don't want something that is too tight, and/or shoving nasal pillows up my nares.

Opinions would be appreciated since it seems a lot of you folks use this setup.

[Jas_williams]

The head strap can be made looser by splitting the two parts of the strap the further apart they are the looser the mask I have one strap on the top of my head and one on the back of my head just above the ears. Both straps together on the back of my head is too tight and makes my nose sore

[LSAT]

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[Bookit]

I have one and really like it. When I first got it, it seemed a little tight (I have a big head). But in 3 days it relaxed. Moving the straps really does adjust it. It also comes with two clips so if the straps are too loose the clips easily can tighten it without readjusting every night. Washing it generally shrinks it up a bit. I like the simplicity of it. It does not mark up my face like other straps do.

[palerider]

Anyhow,.......what's the deal with the headstrap? It appears to not be adjustable, and I can't fathom how that would work out considering people have different size/shape noggins. Mine is on the larger side with a 7 1/2 hat size, and I certainly don't want something that is too tight, and/or shoving nasal pillows up my nares.

Opinions would be appreciated since it seems a lot of you folks use this setup.

Something to take into consideration, as you say, lots of us use the p10, lots of us like it better than other masks we've used... The mask has been out for several years, and therestill isn't a p20 or p30...

It may not be perfect, but it's suspiciously close... If the headgear really was an issue, it wouldn't be so popular.

Of course, like any mask, it's not for everyone.

[Mark55]

I just watched the video review by the Lanky Lefty, since it wasn't a basic manufacturer 'instructive' video. Three things that make me hesitant to buy one now.

1. No swivel at the hose connection. I am extremely used to having a swivel that keeps the hose oriented correctly. I don't know how much not having one would bother me. I didn't catch this before the video.

2. I also didn't realize the sides of the headgear were fabric covered plastic. I am used to a simple soft fabric band only, with nothing stiff underneath. Once again, I have no idea if this is something I would get used to.

3. He seems to make note of the non-adjustable headgear being a negative for him multiple times. It even appeared in the video as if the pillows were really pressed up his nose to the point of distorting it a bit.

The main reason I was considering one of these is due to the fact I seem to be sleeping on my side a lot more than I used to. My Brevida is good to a point in that position, but I have noticed if I really bury my head in the pillow that it starts to leak considerably until I reposition my head, and reseat the pillows. I love how the Brevida is so soft everywhere, and how loose you can wear it with no leakage, but it's not liking my new sleep position very well due to those very traits.

Please feel free to correct anything I may have incorrectly presumed from watching that video review.

[Jas_williams]

The plastic in the side arms is very flexible and helps keep the mask at the right angle. The short hose is very flexible and I don’t need the swivel it would add to the weight for no benefit

[prodigyplace]

The headgear is fabric. About 4 inches on each side have the plastic frame inside the headgear.

The hose is very flexible. I doubt you would miss having a swivel.

Perhaps looking at the mask assembly can explain things better.




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[Dog Slobber]

I'm a big fan of the P10 System.

I love how minimal it is, and it is surprisingly adjustable.

Sure, putting straps, clips, magnets and velcro would mage it more adjustable, nut that would double its weight and presence.

[realshelby]

1. No swivel at the hose connection. I am extremely used to having a swivel that keeps the hose oriented correctly. I don't know how much not having one would bother me. I didn't catch this before the video.

Once you see how flexible the P10 hose is, you might not want a swivel again! Not having a swivel means the hose connection is closer to your body. Which means it doesn't get pushed around as much by a pillow when on your side. There is a swivel in the mask tube to hose connection so it never gets in a twist.

2. I also didn't realize the sides of the headgear were fabric covered plastic. I am used to a simple soft fabric band only, with nothing stiff underneath. Once again, I have no idea if this is something I would get used to.

You won't have any issues with this at all. Very comfortable. With the small footprint of this mask the small and light frame under the covering does a really good job of keeping it in place without leaving pressure points.

3. He seems to make note of the non-adjustable headgear being a negative for him multiple times. It even appeared in the video as if the pillows were really pressed up his nose to the point of distorting it a bit.

Probably the biggest misconception about this mask! The split in the rear of the headgear allows a pretty wide range of tension. My head is about like yours, put the bottom strap down toward your neck as far as it will go comfortably. Then put the top strap well forward on your head. Approaching your forehead. Find the right spot with the top band. You will be surprised at how adjustable this is. I finally washed mine in hot water the other day and it does restore most of the tension.

The main reason I was considering one of these is due to the fact I seem to be sleeping on my side a lot more than I used to. My Brevida is good to a point in that position, but I have noticed if I really bury my head in the pillow that it starts to leak considerably until I reposition my head, and reseat the pillows. I love how the Brevida is so soft everywhere, and how loose you can wear it with no leakage, but it's not liking my new sleep position very well due to those very traits.

I too have and still use the Brevida. It does very well until it tends to cause a bit of sweating where it touches the nose area. Then it slides too easily. It can cut off air to one nostril a bit when crammed into a pillow. This is where the P10 is actually better! You can move the nose part over quite a bit and it still stays sealed as the pillow junction flexes to keep it in place.

Please feel free to correct anything I may have incorrectly presumed from watching that video review.

The P10 is still the lightest, least restrictive, least claustrophobic feeling mask I have tried. Learn to adjust the headband properly and it fits well. It does not work for me when too tight, restricts airflow. I still alternate some with the Dreamwear nasal, Bravida, P10, and the Nuance Pro. The P10 makes the perfect travel mask as it is as close to nothing to carry as you will get! The Dreamwear is simply the most comfortable there is. The Bravida is easier on the nostrils but does not seal as well. The Nuance Pro is by far the best sealing mask and has the best headgear. But it is hard on my nostrils, maybe due to my nostrils shape. I have a lower AHI when wearing the Nuance Pro for whatever reason.

If I had to select one mask that I had to live with going forward, and only one, it would be the P10. It is also the easiest to clean the pillow each morning!

[Mark55]

Thanks to all for the input. I should get to start experimenting with the P10 next week since I went ahead and ordered one last night from our sponsor. I also picked up another Brevida mask for a back up at the sale price too.

The Brevida does great for me as long as I stay on my back, or just turn my head to the side. This is how I generally sleep 90% of the night due to back/neck issues. Every once in awhile though, I 'torque' my already bad back, and it causes me to have to sleep on my sides with a wedge between my knees until the inflammation goes down. I am having an episode of that currently, and is the reason I was interested in the P10.

It will most likely be a 'special situation' mask, just as my Simplus is only for the few times a year I get so congested I need to breathe through my mouth a bit. Who knows,....the P10 might become my favorite, but that remains to be seen. It would have to be extremely comfortable to take over for the Brevida in that department, in my case anyway.

Thanks again!

[zonker]

Thanks to all for the input. I should get to start experimenting with the P10 next week since I went ahead and ordered one last night from our sponsor. I also picked up another Brevida mask for a back up at the sale price too.

please come back to this here thread and let us know how you like it. or how you DON'T like it.

[Jas_williams]

When you first use the P10 you can feel like it hurts the nose night 3 was worst for me but then gets better I love the minimal size of it

[Mark55]

When you first use the P10 you can feel like it hurts the nose night 3 was worst for me but then gets better I love the minimal size of it

I kind of figured there might be a bit of soreness at first with this style. As you know the Brevida design is totally different even though they are both considered nasal 'pillows'. I have to give it credit for NEVER making my nose sore or irritated at all. The P10 appears to make your nares adapt to it, while the Brevida pillow adapts to your nares.

I like a good experiment, so I'm looking forward to trying it out.

[Pugsy]

I had some initial nostril soreness for a few days when I tried the P10 and I had been using a nasal pillow mask for years and years.
It was very minor and went away within a few days probably because I got a better handle on adjusting the tension using the space between the top and back strap. I probably had it a little too snug at the beginning. These pillows don't need a lot of snugness to stay in place. Plus I started out using the XSmall size and I ended up actually needing the small....the XSmall tried to crawl up inside my nose...didn't feel so great plus it would collapse and I couldn't breathe well when it did that.