Simple 100% cure for mask rainout

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Simple 100% cure for mask rainout

Post by garyland » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:36 am

Like your bedroom cold like I do? I discovered if you take a hand towel (thick or thin) and drape it loosely over your mask whether on your back or side, it stops rainout. It works for me. I guess the heat from your face will warm the mask enough to do the job.

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Re: Simple 100% cure for mask rainout

Post by LSAT » Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:38 am

Most rainout comes from the hose...You need a hose cover or a heated hose.

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Re: Simple 100% cure for mask rainout

Post by Pugsy » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:18 am

LSAT wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:38 am
Most rainout comes from the hose...You need a hose cover or a heated hose.
I find that the majority of the time when I get any rain out it is at the mask level and not necessarily in the hose.
The moisture in our/my exhaled breath seems to be the final straw for condensation at the mask level...and I already use a heated hose.
I have the incoming moisturized air from the humidifier and then I add more moisture via my exhaled breath and the combination of those moistures along with ambient room temp can cause rain out only in the mask. Rarely in the hose unless I have the hose air temp way down by mistake which I did do a while back.
I have had rain out happen at the mask level with maximum heated hose temp of 86 degrees. Usually in the winter and the ambient room temp is quite cool. So in the winter I will often use the Padacheek barrel cozy to help keep the air in the mask warm enough to prevent condensation.

As for OP's suggestion of just using something laid over the mask to help retain the warmth....gotta be careful that the vents aren't blocked with the whatever might be placed over the mask. That's the only caution I would add to his idea. I get nervous about doing anything that might block the vent holes.

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Re: Simple 100% cure for mask rainout

Post by prodigyplace » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:02 am

Pugsy wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:18 am
LSAT wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:38 am
Most rainout comes from the hose...You need a hose cover or a heated hose.
I find that the majority of the time when I get any rain out it is at the mask level and not necessarily in the hose.
The moisture in our/my exhaled breath seems to be the final straw for condensation at the mask level...and I already use a heated hose.
I have the incoming moisturized air from the humidifier and then I add more moisture via my exhaled breath and the combination of those moistures along with ambient room temp can cause rain out only in the mask. Rarely in the hose unless I have the hose air temp way down by mistake which I did do a while back.
I have had rain out happen at the mask level with maximum heated hose temp of 86 degrees. Usually in the winter and the ambient room temp is quite cool. So in the winter I will often use the Padacheek barrel cozy to help keep the air in the mask warm enough to prevent condensation.

As for OP's suggestion of just using something laid over the mask to help retain the warmth....gotta be careful that the vents aren't blocked with the whatever might be placed over the mask. That's the only caution I would add to his idea. I get nervous about doing anything that might block the vent holes.
In your case wouldn't a barrel cozy work?
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Re: Simple 100% cure for mask rainout

Post by Pugsy » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:19 am

prodigyplace wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:02 am
In your case wouldn't a barrel cozy work?
Obviously the barrel cozy wouldn't work with a full face mask.

I tossed the information out more for information in general as in personal experience and not a suggestion that the OP use the barrel cozy. Information in general about what can happen even when using a heated hose already. When conditions are just right rain out can happen even with a heated hose set to max warmth air temp.

Someone might read this thread and be using nasal pillows and be experiencing rain out. They might not know about the barrel cozy option.

The idea behind the barrel cozy....meaning make some sort of coat be made for the full face mask is what I was driving at.
Take the barrel cozy idea and go further with it.
This is what the OP did with the placement of the hand towel loosely over the mask.

I mentioned the not covering the vents because I know how people think or not think.
I can see it now...someone wanting to tape or secure a hand towel to the mask and in the process block the vents because they think if just placing it on the mask works...If a little is good then more is better. They seem to always lean towards taking an idea and expanding on it with the premise being if I can improve things with just a loose hand towel thing then if I really secure the towel to the mask it will work even better. They always want to "improve" something for some reason or other.

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Re: Simple 100% cure for mask rainout

Post by chunkyfrog » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:45 am

If only mask frames were insulated . . .
Maybe a custom made quilted mask cozy, with holes for venting?
Someone could create patterns for different mask styles---DIY craft time!
Quilting is useful again.

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Re: Simple 100% cure for mask rainout

Post by D.H. » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:16 am

The first thing to do is make sure that the CPAP is lower than your head.

If you aren't experiencing rain-out, you can ignore this. Otherwise, do this first.

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Re: Simple 100% cure for mask rainout

Post by Pugsy » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:41 am

The first thing to do is make sure that the CPAP is lower than your head.
I know this is often said to do but I can speak from personal experience that it won't always help a thing.
I had it happen to me. I got major rain out in the hose and mask when I accidental went down with the hose air temp and up with the humidity setting. Woke up with major water in the hose and mask and an awful racket.
I tried holding the hose totally vertical and not enough water would leave the hose to eliminate the noise. It's because of the way and place the hose gets attached to the humidifier at an angle...totally vertical or even on the floor won't let the hose drain enough to stop the noise.
Been there and done that. I had to take the hose off and go into the bathroom and shake the hose furiously to get enough of the water out of the hose for it to shut up.

It might have been good useful information back years ago but with the newer machines....it might not help.
Won't hurt to try but be prepared for it to not work well enough to get rid of enough water.
Not to mention the masks and places where water can pool and won't ever be able to even drain back into the hose

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Re: Simple 100% cure for mask rainout

Post by zonker » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:25 am

chunkyfrog wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:45 am
If only mask frames were insulated . . .
Maybe a custom made quilted mask cozy, with holes for venting?
Someone could create patterns for different mask styles---DIY craft time!
Quilting is useful again.
hey! then you can start a business; quilt-a-cheek!!

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Re: Simple 100% cure for mask rainout

Post by zoocrewphoto » Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:08 am

Pugsy wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:41 am
The first thing to do is make sure that the CPAP is lower than your head.
I know this is often said to do but I can speak from personal experience that it won't always help a thing.
I had it happen to me. I got major rain out in the hose and mask when I accidental went down with the hose air temp and up with the humidity setting. Woke up with major water in the hose and mask and an awful racket.
When I would visit my sister, I would sleep on her couch with my cpap on the floor. Horrible racket woke me up. Water in the hose. I had to remember to always turn t he temp up when visiting my sister. She likes her house cold. I never have that problem at home. Only in colder places. And even with the machine on the floor. Can't go any lower than that.

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