Solution for CPAP/APAP wakeup fatigue and grogginess
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Re: Solution for CPAP/APAP wakeup fatigue and grogginess
Just delete the thread then. I thought I had seen some assholes online, but this takes the cake. If this idea is terrible for your situation, don’t use it. Use common sense. If you have mild sleep apnea and that extra hour or so if PAP sleep isn’t a huge deal to you, but waking up without being groggy -for example, if you have some major responsibilities with children, etc. - and doing this just makes you feel overall better and more rested, then this is not a dumb idea.
But anyway, (profanity removed by mod) off everyone. Won’t be back again trying to offer an idea that worked for me but may not work for many. Just want to say one last time, (profanity removed by mod) off, you (profanity removed by mod) assholes. As someone who doesn’t have 40,000 posts and isn’t an expert or hardcore member of this “community” - I’ll just smirk at the idea of waking up refreshed while some you rude assholes deal with your crippling insomnia. Enjoy.
But anyway, (profanity removed by mod) off everyone. Won’t be back again trying to offer an idea that worked for me but may not work for many. Just want to say one last time, (profanity removed by mod) off, you (profanity removed by mod) assholes. As someone who doesn’t have 40,000 posts and isn’t an expert or hardcore member of this “community” - I’ll just smirk at the idea of waking up refreshed while some you rude assholes deal with your crippling insomnia. Enjoy.
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Re: Solution for CPAP/APAP wakeup fatigue and grogginess
You’re not a witch. You’re a rude, miserable person who deserves everyone’s pity. I’m off to bed now to get my refreshing sleep, and then I’ll wake up with a huge smile with plenty of great energy, all without consequences because of an idea that works for me that you’ve called dumb multiple times. Maybe you can reread your thread tonight when you don’t sleep - because I’m sure you don’t.
Re: Solution for CPAP/APAP wakeup fatigue and grogginess
Sorry you feel that way.
I won't be removing the thread. It has potential value as a warning to cpap users what not to do.
Profanity is not allowed...do it again and it will be removed again.
I won't be removing the thread. It has potential value as a warning to cpap users what not to do.
Profanity is not allowed...do it again and it will be removed again.
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Re: Solution for CPAP/APAP wakeup fatigue and grogginess
Well I hate to burst your bubble but I have been called worse and it didn't make me lose any sleep.randomCPAPguy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:16 pmYou’re not a witch. You’re a rude, miserable person who deserves everyone’s pity. I’m off to bed now to get my refreshing sleep, and then I’ll wake up with a huge smile with plenty of great energy, all without consequences because of an idea that works for me that you’ve called dumb multiple times. Maybe you can reread your thread tonight when you don’t sleep - because I’m sure you don’t.
I sincerely hope that you don't kill yourself some night with your "solution" to whatever problem you are having with your cpap therapy that leaves you to wake up feeling like crap. With optimal therapy you wouldn't need to do what you are doing.
Grow up and quit with the potty mouth....all it does is lessen what little value anything you say might have.
Right now you are looking and sounding like a spoiled 2 year old with a dirty mouth.
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Re: Solution for CPAP/APAP wakeup fatigue and grogginess
Says the person whose vocabulary is 80% “stupid” and “dumb.”Pugsy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:25 pmWell I hate to burst your bubble but I have been called worse and it didn't make me lose any sleep.randomCPAPguy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:16 pmYou’re not a witch. You’re a rude, miserable person who deserves everyone’s pity. I’m off to bed now to get my refreshing sleep, and then I’ll wake up with a huge smile with plenty of great energy, all without consequences because of an idea that works for me that you’ve called dumb multiple times. Maybe you can reread your thread tonight when you don’t sleep - because I’m sure you don’t.
I sincerely hope that you don't kill yourself some night with your "solution" to whatever problem you are having with your cpap therapy that leaves you to wake up feeling like crap. With optimal therapy you wouldn't need to do what you are doing.
Grow up and quit with the potty mouth....all it does is lessen what little value anything you say might have.
Right now you are looking and sounding like a spoiled 2 year old with a dirty mouth.
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Re: Solution for CPAP/APAP wakeup fatigue and grogginess
My untreated AHI was 49 with oxygen desat to 63%. I am not about to sleep for an hour and a half without my machine running.
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Re: Solution for CPAP/APAP wakeup fatigue and grogginess
randomguy - there are reasons (fixable) that you're having trouble and we can definitely help. Grogginess is not normal.... Can't we get past all the crap and start over?
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Re: Solution for CPAP/APAP wakeup fatigue and grogginess
Sure - as I’ve written a few times, this isn’t a one-size fits all. Apparently my apnea is very mild compared to many people on here. So, if without your PAP machine you are unable to breath, then obviously this would be a terrible idea for you. I would think maybe people would give me the benefit of the doubt and realize I am recommending this to a group of people who are struggling with grogginess to begin with, and as I stated originally, people who have, in some forums like this one, actually asked if there’s a way to put a timer on the machine. Those people obviously are not severe cases.
I have a family and need to work long hours, and I usually sleep after 12 and wake up before 7. That’s my reality, and it’s either that or lose my house or give up time with my kids. I’m okay with my decisions and realize my sleep time isn’t optimal, but I do my best with it. I have mild sleep apnea, so shutting off the ResMed isn’t going to kill me. I can sleep without it if need be, just not as well.
This has just been a shockingly negative experience. Just tying to make a suggestion some people who could benefit from it and I’m called out like I’m Jim Jones serving up Kool-Aid to the forum.
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Re: Solution for CPAP/APAP wakeup fatigue and grogginess
You see, someone here is able to reason that this solution is not for them, which I would assume most people would do, rather than blindly following a message board post and being outraged by it. Now, I’m guessing if you had a desat of 88% and had huge responsibilities in the morning which you could not perform because you were waking up like a zombie for hours, this may not seem so insane and dangerous to you. Maybe you would still opt not to do it, but it may enter into your risk:reward spectrum.Okie bipap wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:33 pmMy untreated AHI was 49 with oxygen desat to 63%. I am not about to sleep for an hour and a half without my machine running.
Re: Solution for CPAP/APAP wakeup fatigue and grogginess
Believe it or not, for most here, used to a certain way of thinking (it's good, really
) your idea sounded way out there, and we also are always aware of other newbies hearing what to us sounds radical and thinking it's ok, so overreact sometimes,, but there's very likely a common reason for your grogginess etc. and definitely common and easy adjustments can be made... not complicated. What's important I think is to realize that it's possible you've been given lousy info from the beginning - some of what you said sounds awful to be honest (what you've been told, what you haven't and should have been) so don't understand even some of the basics of either OSA or Cpap... and what Cpap is supposed to do and what it isn't. Anyhow, if you'd like to share with us (and we'll do the same back) more info about your equipment, any software or results-based things you might have worked with or even just what doctors have said we can look at it and comment, plus give you links to Sleepyhead,, which is free and covers way more than any of the mfgr's 'screen' results or other software out there.. and that will help to sort out your sleep and allow us to suggest tweaks to i.e. pressure settings,, etc.

Re: Solution for CPAP/APAP wakeup fatigue and grogginess
Your hours of sleep pretty much explain why you had difficulty waking. You're functioning off of a deficit that keeps accumulating. Hate to hear that the system you've worked out to get you awake requires disrupting your natural sleep stages even earlier and making your already short sleep even less beneficial. I hope at some point you can find some relief in your demanding schedule, but many have made those sacrifices when life requires it. One point of clarity, CPAP doesn't induce unnatural sleep, it simply allows natural sleep. And one question - do you monitor your machine data? If you've gotta get short sleep, hopefully you can make sure the sleep you are getting is at its best.
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Re: Solution for CPAP/APAP wakeup fatigue and grogginess
If you have sleep apnea, as everyone else has said already, turning off your CPAP machine in order to wake up is absurdly stupid and self-destructive.
Getting as much sleep as you need each night, and getting to be on time to get it is by far, the wisest thing, using CPAP.
If you find yourself using stimulants, you can only do that for so long, it's like a credit card for the body, and you eventually have to pay it back with interest.
If you're still going to insist on using a timer for anything being turned on or off, when in a sound sleep (which is a good thing) it's amazing what people can sleep through for noise or (I suppose, though mine stinks) sense of smell and touch. There is another sense that can be stimulated if you're absolutely hellbent on using an alarm you might be able to wake up to: a very bright light, most ideally, as close to sunlight as possible. Whether we like it or not, we're very much driven by light, especially sunlight, and if you've had enough quality sleep, it's a far better thing to wake up to. If you could sleep through a 500 watt grow bulb for very long, I'd be equal parts impressed and worried.
Still, the simplest, cheapest, healthiest and safest solution is to use the CPAP and sleep until your body wakes up naturally instead of trying to do more than your body can sustain. Waking up when you're fully rested is also the most pleasant.
Getting as much sleep as you need each night, and getting to be on time to get it is by far, the wisest thing, using CPAP.
If you find yourself using stimulants, you can only do that for so long, it's like a credit card for the body, and you eventually have to pay it back with interest.
If you're still going to insist on using a timer for anything being turned on or off, when in a sound sleep (which is a good thing) it's amazing what people can sleep through for noise or (I suppose, though mine stinks) sense of smell and touch. There is another sense that can be stimulated if you're absolutely hellbent on using an alarm you might be able to wake up to: a very bright light, most ideally, as close to sunlight as possible. Whether we like it or not, we're very much driven by light, especially sunlight, and if you've had enough quality sleep, it's a far better thing to wake up to. If you could sleep through a 500 watt grow bulb for very long, I'd be equal parts impressed and worried.
Still, the simplest, cheapest, healthiest and safest solution is to use the CPAP and sleep until your body wakes up naturally instead of trying to do more than your body can sustain. Waking up when you're fully rested is also the most pleasant.
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Re: Solution for CPAP/APAP wakeup fatigue and grogginess
You're completely wrong about that. All "these machines" do is allow a person to breathe when sleeping.randomCPAPguy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:00 pmbut I know these machines get you into a really deep sleep state, and it is somewhat artificially regulated because it’s not the same sleep you’d get naturally.
Wrong about that too.randomCPAPguy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:00 pmI believe I read that the sleep cycles are fixed for something like 30-45 minutes.
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Re: Solution for CPAP/APAP wakeup fatigue and grogginess
Random Guy, wakeup grogginess/sleepiness is NOT normal; it is, however, characteristic of untreated sleep apnea. When I started getting sleep using my CPAP machine, I typically slept 9 hours -- that went on for several weeks, then dropped down to 8 which seems to be my normal. I made the effort to get to bed earlier each night to allow for the extra sleep. I have severe SA and would never go to sleep without my equipment running.
I wish you the best in optimizing your therapy and sleep. Insomnia is not commonly reported by those of us with optimized therapy.
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Re: Solution for CPAP/APAP wakeup fatigue and grogginess
The groggy part is NOT being caused by the cpap treatment. You are sleeping better with the cpap, which allows you to sleep deeper. Then you are trying to wake up when you are in deep sleep. I totally understand that problem, but sleeping without cpap is NOT the solution. You are undoing the treatment, and that is not helping your health or your attitude.randomCPAPguy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:12 pmJust delete the thread then. I thought I had seen some assholes online, but this takes the cake. If this idea is terrible for your situation, don’t use it. Use common sense. If you have mild sleep apnea and that extra hour or so if PAP sleep isn’t a huge deal to you, but waking up without being groggy -for example, if you have some major responsibilities with children, etc. - and doing this just makes you feel overall better and more rested, then this is not a dumb idea.
I have been a night owl since I was about 18 years old. Unless it is my day off AND I have nowhere to be, I MUST use an alarm clock, and chance are, I will be in deep sleep. My solution is this. One alarm next to my bed set 15 minutes early. Another alarm across the room. The alarm next to the bed wakes me up, and lets me drift back to sleep a little longer, but now it is lighter sleep. When I do have to get up (and go across the room), I was in light sleep rather than deep sleep. I am not groggy. I may or may not remember the alarm going off next to my bed. But I am able to get up just fine for the one across the room. And I can do this without trashing the last hour or more of my sleep.
You may not realize this, buut a lot of people have worse sleep apnea during REM sleep. And a normal night of sleep has more REM at the end of the night. So, you are telling people to quit cpap therapy during the part of the night where they may need it the most.
We are trying to help people here, not encourage people to damage their treatment. Your suggestion was NOT common sense, and not healthy. There are other options that don't involve sleeping without cpap. It is also very clear that you do not understand how cpap works, and how it improves the quality of your sleep. Please, stick around and learn more about cpap treatment. We can help you find better ways to deal with it.
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