OT: Is anyone watching...

[jnk...]

Political threads aren't my thing. For many reasons. But I nevertheless find them intriguing in a social political-science sort of way. Much like barfights, roller derby, and dance competitions.

It at first appears disheartening here to see the total disconnect between those who lean more urban elite and those who lean more Americana nostalgist. I don't think it's anything new, really, historically speaking. But I think technology has exacerbated the situation lately in that it has made some frustrated from their feeling they have to rub elbows in public with people with political opinions highly divergent from their own. Drawing a population together can be a good thing in some ways but a volatile thing in other ways, since, at a distance, one can always assume one would find middle ground if given the opportunity, whereas the feel of proximity brought on by modern instant-mass-media, especially in virtually-anonymous settings, has highlighted the fact that maybe being able to find middle ground isn't always possible.

On the other hand, it is heartening to see that people with such different beliefs in other matters all can agree on the importance of lovingly assisting fellow human beings who need help with sleep issues and breathing issues, regardless of race, nationality, background, religion, or politics.

Well, either that, or I just banged my head on the way down as I fell off my soapbox.

As for the question, Is anyone watching? The answer is yes. The newbies are watching this thread. And some are being scared away from the entire forum by reading it. It is well within your rights to continue it. But do you really want to?

Just saying.

-jeff

Just what is your problem with dance competition?

They aren't my thing. For many reasons. But I nevertheless find them intriguing in a social political-science sort of way.

[BleepingBeauty]

Jeezus, you couldn't possibly be more ignorant. And you're a religious nutjob, too? Perfect!

BB, You are usually so pleasant. Why do you get involved in this shit slinging?

simple just not a happy person who didnt get her way silly
if she were sleeping she wouldnt be angry and on the internet all nite scouring for people to argue with

I'm not sleeping because I'm anxious about the Cheeto-in-Chief getting us all blown to smithereens. Twitler needs to STFU already. And I'm arguing with bullshit because it's bullshit, and I won't be silent about it anymore.

Now, if you want to have any credibility at all, you'll post under your ID and not a "silly" fake one.

[flightco]

Political threads aren't my thing. For many reasons. But I nevertheless find them intriguing in a social political-science sort of way. Much like barfights, roller derby, and dance competitions.

It at first appears disheartening here to see the total disconnect between those who lean more urban elite and those who lean more Americana nostalgist. I don't think it's anything new, really, historically speaking. But I think technology has exacerbated the situation lately in that it has made some frustrated from their feeling they have to rub elbows in public with people with political opinions highly divergent from their own. Drawing a population together can be a good thing in some ways but a volatile thing in other ways, since, at a distance, one can always assume one would find middle ground if given the opportunity, whereas the feel of proximity brought on by modern instant-mass-media, especially in virtually-anonymous settings, has highlighted the fact that maybe being able to find middle ground isn't always possible.

On the other hand, it is heartening to see that people with such different beliefs in other matters all can agree on the importance of lovingly assisting fellow human beings who need help with sleep issues and breathing issues, regardless of race, nationality, background, religion, or politics.

Well, either that, or I just banged my head on the way down as I fell off my soapbox.

As for the question, Is anyone watching? The answer is yes. The newbies are watching this thread. And some are being scared away from the entire forum by reading it. It is well within your rights to continue it. But do you really want to?

Just saying.

-jeff

Just what is your problem with dance competition?

They aren't my thing. For many reasons. But I nevertheless find them intriguing in a social political-science sort of way.

But to compare to politics and roller derby? I don't get it and as a competitive ballroom dancer, was wondering where you are coming from (just incase anyone thinks ballroom dancing is for sissy's , I am also a licensed pilot and have an advanced Hang Gliding rating).

[flightco]

I can't wait to see the Liberal meltdown over his Supreme Court nomination tonight.

Yup... another Bannon type and the Dems are all ready for it. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

It will be interesting to see what the dems do since they really have no power.

[flightco]

I started the thread because there are obviously a lot of people who DO regret voting for him, and I wanted to see if anyone here felt the same.

Unfortunately, except for your link, I haven't yet come across people who regret voting for him. Besides, Drumph voters aren't ready to admit that. I think it's going to take a year before they see who they really voted for, unless he is impeached before then. Just signed a petition to impeach Bannon...

Really Lucy, you are not capable of an adult conversation or debate, you need to make up names, very immature but typical of the liberal mindset so I guess you fit right in.

Really Flightco... "immature", "typical", "liberal mindset", --- and you think I make up names and I'm not capable of an adult conversation or debate.

Although I apologized for name calling (snowflake) immature and typical are the normal and expected behavior of the liberal mindset and are therefore, adjectives describing and action and not name calling. Drumph voters and snowflake are name calling. So, yes I think you makeup or copy (like I did with snowflake) and probably are capable of an adult conversation, you have simply chosen to do otherwise.

I did ask her and her only comeback was that I voted for Trump along with many millions of Americans who just happen to see the world differently than you do and also just happened to win.

[silly]

Now, if you want to have any credibility at all, you'll post under your ID and not a "silly" fake one.

You say that as IF "BleepingBeauty" is not a silly and fake name. AND you have credibility?
ha ha

[BleepingBeauty]

You have mentioned Jews or Israel in at least 6 posts..What we don't need on this message board is an anti-semitic asshole.
You can agree or disagree with someone without bringing up their religion. You are sounding more and more like an uneducated red neck...full of hate. Hopefully members will ignore your posts. Now I'm sorry I tried to help with your CPAP problems.

Two thumbs up, LSAT.

Don't miss read me...I am anti Grumpy.....not anti Trump

Oh, I could never misread you. I know full well that you're pro-Dump.

My thumbs-up was in reference to your quote above, calling out MrGrumpy on the overt bigotry and anti-Semitism he spews so proudly.

[BleepingBeauty]

I started the thread because there are obviously a lot of people who DO regret voting for him, and I wanted to see if anyone here felt the same.

Unfortunately, except for your link, I haven't yet come across people who regret voting for him. Besides, Drumph voters aren't ready to admit that. I think it's going to take a year before they see who they really voted for, unless he is impeached before then. Just signed a petition to impeach Bannon...

That link points to a whole lot of regrets that have been posted on Twitter (way more than were there just a week ago). I'm sure many Dumpsters aren't ready, can't or won't ever admit that anything's amiss with Twitler and/or that they made a mistake by buying into his bullshit and voting for him. Honestly, I'll be surprised if we're all still here a year from now. (And I'm not being a hysteric about that. I'm just acknowledging the reality of the danger. I mean, "Why have nukes if you aren't gonna use 'em?" )

IMO, he's mentally ill. Bigly.

[Cardsfan]

Everything he has done so far is exactly what he campaigned on. No surprises yet. And I doubt those twitter rants are real.

[BleepingBeauty]

Ugh, another one. *sigh*

Bleep: Another one?? I "God Bless" a lot of people on this forum. Do you think I'd God Bless you, then say "Let me drive you to an abortion clinic to kill your baby... then "God Bless" you as I drive off?
Yes.... "Another one"
Sheriff

Uh, thanks, but you can keep your blessings, Sheriff. I'm an atheist. (I prefer reality in all things, so a sky daddy doesn't compute.)

[BleepingBeauty]

Political threads aren't my thing. For many reasons. But I nevertheless find them intriguing in a social political-science sort of way. Much like barfights, roller derby, and dance competitions.

It at first appears disheartening here to see the total disconnect between those who lean more urban elite and those who lean more Americana nostalgist. I don't think it's anything new, really, historically speaking. But I think technology has exacerbated the situation lately in that it has made some frustrated from their feeling they have to rub elbows in public with people with political opinions highly divergent from their own. Drawing a population together can be a good thing in some ways but a volatile thing in other ways, since, at a distance, one can always assume one would find middle ground if given the opportunity, whereas the feel of proximity brought on by modern instant-mass-media, especially in virtually-anonymous settings, has highlighted the fact that maybe being able to find middle ground isn't always possible.

On the other hand, it is heartening to see that people with such different beliefs in other matters all can agree on the importance of lovingly assisting fellow human beings who need help with sleep issues and breathing issues, regardless of race, nationality, background, religion, or politics.

Well, either that, or I just banged my head on the way down as I fell off my soapbox.

As for the question, Is anyone watching? The answer is yes. The newbies are watching this thread. And some are being scared away from the entire forum by reading it. It is well within your rights to continue it. But do you really want to?

Just saying.

-jeff

As usual, Jeff, you make solid and thought-provoking points. However, on this particular topic, I'm just not content to be quiet, and I won't refrain for fear of scaring off a newbie. I hope that doesn't happen, but I won't lose sleep if it does. I'm losing enough sleep as it is...

[Wulfman...]

Like my husband said yesterday- "if all the liberals are this upset over Trump, then he's doing a good job".
I can't wait to see the Liberal meltdown over his Supreme Court nomination tonight.

BINGO!!!

The liberal Alt-left is demonstrating that they've lost their minds (if they ever had any).
They're actually helping the Republicans with their fanaticism and turning off some who were sitting on the fence.
With Obama, you could always count on anything he said being the exact opposite of what was actually going to happen.
With Hillary, you could count on absolutely nothing coming out of her mouth resembling the truth.
Two serial liars in their own ways. Crooked and corrupt.
The evil George Soros lost $1B dollars on the election, backing Hillary.
It's going to take some time to undo the damage that's been done to our country, but DJT is getting off to a good start.


Den

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[jnk...]

Political threads aren't my thing. For many reasons. But I nevertheless find them intriguing in a social political-science sort of way. Much like barfights, roller derby, and dance competitions.

It at first appears disheartening here to see the total disconnect between those who lean more urban elite and those who lean more Americana nostalgist. I don't think it's anything new, really, historically speaking. But I think technology has exacerbated the situation lately in that it has made some frustrated from their feeling they have to rub elbows in public with people with political opinions highly divergent from their own. Drawing a population together can be a good thing in some ways but a volatile thing in other ways, since, at a distance, one can always assume one would find middle ground if given the opportunity, whereas the feel of proximity brought on by modern instant-mass-media, especially in virtually-anonymous settings, has highlighted the fact that maybe being able to find middle ground isn't always possible.

On the other hand, it is heartening to see that people with such different beliefs in other matters all can agree on the importance of lovingly assisting fellow human beings who need help with sleep issues and breathing issues, regardless of race, nationality, background, religion, or politics.

Well, either that, or I just banged my head on the way down as I fell off my soapbox.

As for the question, Is anyone watching? The answer is yes. The newbies are watching this thread. And some are being scared away from the entire forum by reading it. It is well within your rights to continue it. But do you really want to?

Just saying.

-jeff

Just what is your problem with dance competition?

They aren't my thing. For many reasons. But I nevertheless find them intriguing in a social political-science sort of way.

But to compare to politics and roller derby? I don't get it and as a competitive ballroom dancer, was wondering where you are coming from (just incase anyone thinks ballroom dancing is for sissy's , I am also a licensed pilot and have an advanced Hang Gliding rating).

This thread is a bar fight because no one will win except whoever supplies the replacements for the broken furniture.

It is a roller derby because not much happens in this kind of thread other than going around and around trying to get ahead of the other, um, ladies while knocking a few other people down along the way, as if that proves something.

It is a dance competition along the vein of the old 50s endurance dances where the point is just to keep shuffling without falling down to outlast the other couples. The only difference is that there is no prize to win here.

[BleepingBeauty]

The "OT" in the Subject line means "Off Topic". They've been existing on this forum since its beginning. As a general rule-of-thumb, folks can either post to them or stay away if it's not a subject to which they wish to express their opinion. Sometimes people just can't resist starting them, knowing full well they'll be able to start a verbal altercation that lasts for pages and pages. Many times, they'll start them and then hide and watch the fireworks.

Den

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I started the thread because there are obviously a lot of people who DO regret voting for him, and I wanted to see if anyone here felt the same. And since you're participating in the thread well beyond a simple yes or no response, you're part of the reason this thread is now pages long.

You've been around here long enough to know who among us is on which side of the political spectrum.
No, it wouldn't have been this long if YOU had NOT started it in the first place.

Possibly the biggest hypocrisy about liberals is that they claim to want the right to express THEIR opinions (in various ways), but are absolutely not tolerant of others' views.......if they don't agree with theirs.

All of these demonstrations, marches and other acts of violence are bought and paid for by George Soros and his supported organizations. Any person with a smidgen of intelligence should be able to see that.

You started it. Now, either let it die or allow the others to express their views in some sort of civilized manner.


Den

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Wow, Den, you're making me really sad. Of course I know where some people on this forum fall on the political spectrum, but I maintain that the initial question was a simple one and not an invitation to spout nonsense all over the place.

You seriously believe what I bolded in your comment? Astounding. If the people marching and protesting were paid to do so, George Soros and his supported organizations would be bankrupt many times over by now. (FWIW, I haven't received my check yet.) The sheer number of protesters should make you realize that. What evidence do you have to make that claim?

C'mon, Den. I think of you as a good guy who offers a lot of valuable info around here. Yes, we have diametrically-opposed political opinions, but this is just too much.

And no, I won't just let it die. I'm not stopping anyone from speaking their mind. I'm doing the same. Sorry/notsorry.

[jnk...]

Political threads aren't my thing. For many reasons. But I nevertheless find them intriguing in a social political-science sort of way. Much like barfights, roller derby, and dance competitions.

It at first appears disheartening here to see the total disconnect between those who lean more urban elite and those who lean more Americana nostalgist. I don't think it's anything new, really, historically speaking. But I think technology has exacerbated the situation lately in that it has made some frustrated from their feeling they have to rub elbows in public with people with political opinions highly divergent from their own. Drawing a population together can be a good thing in some ways but a volatile thing in other ways, since, at a distance, one can always assume one would find middle ground if given the opportunity, whereas the feel of proximity brought on by modern instant-mass-media, especially in virtually-anonymous settings, has highlighted the fact that maybe being able to find middle ground isn't always possible.

On the other hand, it is heartening to see that people with such different beliefs in other matters all can agree on the importance of lovingly assisting fellow human beings who need help with sleep issues and breathing issues, regardless of race, nationality, background, religion, or politics.

Well, either that, or I just banged my head on the way down as I fell off my soapbox.

As for the question, Is anyone watching? The answer is yes. The newbies are watching this thread. And some are being scared away from the entire forum by reading it. It is well within your rights to continue it. But do you really want to?

Just saying.

-jeff

As usual, Jeff, you make solid and thought-provoking points. However, on this particular topic, I'm just not content to be quiet, and I won't refrain for fear of scaring off a newbie. I hope that doesn't happen, but I won't lose sleep if it does. I'm losing enough sleep as it is...

I care about you BB. And I'm afraid that going around and around here isn't going to help your sleep. It just gets you more upset. You have the right to start the thread and to say whatever you wish. I just don't think it's good for you to get worked up about it unless you are bored and it makes you feel better to stir things up. I do think this kind of thread is damaging to the board. It doesn't make sense to a newbie that political bar fights happen among the same people attempting to help them with sleep-breathing issues. As the bar fight expands, the medical-help side of the room shrinks, to my way of seeing it. No one wants fellow-patient help from a bunch of people who are screaming at one another like two sides of a gang fight hoping the other side will die.

I wish you the best of sleep. I trust your judgment on whether this kind of thread helps you get it. But I'm guessing . . .

Have at it kids. But don't come crying to me when someone gets an eye put out.