Oxygen concentrator instead of CPAP or BiPap?

[bluetrout]

. . . My main problem seems to be Central events.

Is there a cause of the central events that is known?

No. The theory now is that low O2 is the culprit and thus the O2 concentrator. It arrives Tuesday so the research continues then.

[palerider]

. . . My main problem seems to be Central events.

Is there a cause of the central events that is known?

No. The theory now is that low O2 is the culprit and thus the O2 concentrator. It arrives Tuesday so the research continues then.

well, this is the first I've ever heard of a theory that too little oxygen decreases the respiratory drive...

[bluetrout]

. . . My main problem seems to be Central events.

Is there a cause of the central events that is known?

No. The theory now is that low O2 is the culprit and thus the O2 concentrator. It arrives Tuesday so the research continues then.

well, this is the first I've ever heard of a theory that too little oxygen decreases the respiratory drive...

The fact that the brain shuts down breathing, a central event, doesn't make sense either and the cause for that is unknown. It may be that a baseline low O2 level contributes to that happening. Thus raising the O2 level may prevent it.

[palerider]

. . . My main problem seems to be Central events.

Is there a cause of the central events that is known?

No. The theory now is that low O2 is the culprit and thus the O2 concentrator. It arrives Tuesday so the research continues then.

well, this is the first I've ever heard of a theory that too little oxygen decreases the respiratory drive...

The fact that the brain shuts down breathing, a central event, doesn't make sense either and the cause for that is unknown. It may be that a baseline low O2 level contributes to that happening. Thus raising the O2 level may prevent it.

and it may be sunspots, and aliens in their UFOs too.

point to any legitimate scientific sources that say that low 02 reduces respiratory drive.

now, low c02, that's a whole different topic, and scientifically valid.

[bluetrout]

palerider,
I know I'm taking a wild chance here but I'll go with the advice I'm getting from my doctors. Guess you can't be convinced but you certainly can be ignored. I'll bet this is not new territory for you.

[Wulfman...]

. . . My main problem seems to be Central events.

Is there a cause of the central events that is known?

No. The theory now is that low O2 is the culprit and thus the O2 concentrator. It arrives Tuesday so the research continues then.

well, this is the first I've ever heard of a theory that too little oxygen decreases the respiratory drive...

+1


Den

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[Wulfman...]

palerider,
I know I'm taking a wild chance here but I'll go with the advice I'm getting from my doctors. Guess you can't be convinced but you certainly can be ignored. I'll bet this is not new territory for you.

Just make sure you have some doctors who know something about Obstructive AND Central Sleep Apnea.
So far, what you've posted sounds bass-ackwards.


Den

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[bluetrout]

Central sleep apnea (CSA) or central sleep apnea syndrome (CSAS) is a sleep-related disorder in which the effort to breathe is diminished or absent,
typically for 10 to 30 seconds either intermittently or in cycles, and is usually associated with a reduction in blood oxygen saturation.
Central sleep apnea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_s ... aWikipedia

Notice the reduction in O2 saturation being mentioned. I also found several other sites via GOOGLE with longer explanations, etc.
They all mention the cause of Central apnea is unknown.

[palerider]

palerider,
I know I'm taking a wild chance here but I'll go with the advice I'm getting from my doctors. Guess you can't be convinced but you certainly can be ignored. I'll bet this is not new territory for you.

you do whatever you want to, sweetie, and I hope it works for you... just don't be too surprised if it doesn't.

[Wulfman...]

Central sleep apnea (CSA) or central sleep apnea syndrome (CSAS) is a sleep-related disorder in which the effort to breathe is diminished or absent,
typically for 10 to 30 seconds either intermittently or in cycles, and is usually associated with a reduction in blood oxygen saturation.
Central sleep apnea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_s ... aWikipedia

Notice the reduction in O2 saturation being mentioned. I also found several other sites via GOOGLE with longer explanations, etc.
They all mention the cause of Central apnea is unknown.

You're confusing breathing O2 or CO2 with the blood oxygen content. Central Sleep Apnea is neurological in nature.
Quite often, getting too much oxygen (breathing it) can decrease the drive to breathe. It can be a fine balance.


Den

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[palerider]

Central sleep apnea (CSA) or central sleep apnea syndrome (CSAS) is a sleep-related disorder in which the effort to breathe is diminished or absent,
typically for 10 to 30 seconds either intermittently or in cycles, and is usually associated with a reduction in blood oxygen saturation.
Central sleep apnea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_s ... aWikipedia

Notice the reduction in O2 saturation being mentioned. I also found several other sites via GOOGLE with longer explanations, etc.

you're getting cause and effect backwards. the reduction in 02 saturation is *because you're not breathing during the apneas.*. (talk about "a little knowledge...")

[bluetrout]

You're confusing breathing O2 or CO2 with the blood oxygen content. Central Sleep Apnea is neurological in nature.
Quite often, getting too much oxygen (breathing it) can decrease the drive to breathe. It can be a fine balance.
Den

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The whole thing is a fine balance. I'm listening to my pulmonologist and the 2 pulmomologists who conferred with her on this. When posters share their experience that can be valuable. When posters share opinions, that enters a sketchy area of unknown credentials and motives. Den, you sound solid to me but I don't agree with your conclusions when they differ from my docs. I'll report back when I have some experience with this. Thanks for your input.

[Wulfman...]

You're confusing breathing O2 or CO2 with the blood oxygen content. Central Sleep Apnea is neurological in nature.
Quite often, getting too much oxygen (breathing it) can decrease the drive to breathe. It can be a fine balance.
Den

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The whole thing is a fine balance. I'm listening to my pulmonologist and the 2 pulmomologists who conferred with her on this. When posters share their experience that can be valuable. When posters share opinions, that enters a sketchy area of unknown credentials and motives. Den, you sound solid to me but I don't agree with your conclusions when they differ from my docs. I'll report back when I have some experience with this. Thanks for your input.

See how long you can hold your breath before you feel the need to BREATHE. It may not be exactly the same thing, but it's close.
Also, ask yourself why the ResMed technology for years was to use the A10 algorithm.......it was designed to prevent Central Apneas if the pressure went above 10 cm........possibly triggering "pressure induced Centrals".

We don't make this shit up as we go along. It comes from years of reading studies and reports from authoritative sources.

But.....as I said, consult physicians who are knowledgeable in Central Sleep Apnea.


Den

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[Wulfman...]

A few links to a little "lite" reading.......

https://www.sleepassociation.org/patien ... eep-apnea/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2287191/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3242685/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3417331/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3934482

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/304967-treatment

http://www.uptodate.com/contents/centra ... -treatment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_sleep_apnea


Den

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[palerider]

See how long you can hold your breath before you feel the need to BREATHE. It may not be exactly the same thing, but it's close.

just to expound on that (since I figure you know it) when you hold your breath, it isn't the lack of oxygen that makes you need to breath, it's the buildup of carbon dioxide in your blood...

more than a few people, playing with an oximeter for the first time, have held their breath, and seen that the spo2 didn't drop much before they were gasping for air.... but if they'd been able to measure their TC-CO2, they'd have seen that drop when they hyperventilated, and rise to when they had to breath.