so clean 2

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Re: so clean 2

Post by Kittamaru » Tue May 17, 2016 5:08 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:And if your pet should take a nap nearby--
This could end very badly.
Indeed - admittedly, it is unlikely something connected to a home 120v outlet would be able to put out enough ozone in a short enough time to raise the concentration in the air to a high enough level where it would become dangerous, in part because of the energy required to generate it in large amounts, and in part because it is inherently unstable and dissipates quickly.

Actually, I have to wonder, if they used coronal discharge, just what the energy consumption of that device would be 0_o

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Re: so clean 2

Post by archangle » Wed May 18, 2016 3:32 am

palerider wrote:given the proven fact that ozone is harmful to metals and plastics, it's interesting to note that there's *nothing* to prevent backdraft into the blower unit as the ozone allegedly circulates through the humidifier and hose...

so, either it does nothing of note (most likely) or it's slowly destroying the cpap...
There's a level of ozone that wouldn't damage CPAP equipment. Maybe they've found a level of ozone that does useful germ killing, but doesn't damage the equipment.

They may also control the pressures and such so that the level of ozone that backflows through the blower unit is low. They could do this fairly easily by having a slight amount of airflow out of the closed system.

i.e. they claim to have found the happy medium in terms of ozone concentration. I'm skeptical, but it's possible.
chunkyfrog wrote:And if your pet should take a nap nearby--
This could end very badly.
The machine depends on recirculating the air in a closed loop to generate a high amount of ozone "inside the box." If it was leaking ozone, it's unlikely to produce it fast enough have a large health effect when mixed with room air. Even fairly bad ozone emitting devices have fairly minor health effects, and only then over a long period of time.

The ozone generator is designed to ozonate about 1 cubic foot of air. It's not going to do much ozonation of a room with 1000 cubic feet of air.

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Re: so clean 2

Post by palerider » Wed May 18, 2016 12:40 pm

archangle wrote: I'm skeptical, but it's possible.
do you *ever* do anything but guess?

you love to weigh in with your opinions without bothering to figure out anything at all.

what ozone concentration IS harmful to plastics? what ozone concentration would effectively kill a biofilm? all you do by saying "well, hur hur, it's possible!" is muddle the waters.

it's POSSIBLE you'll someday post something that's accurate and supported... but I'm skeptical.

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Re: so clean 2

Post by archangle » Thu May 19, 2016 5:37 am

palerider wrote:
archangle wrote: I'm skeptical, but it's possible.
do you *ever* do anything but guess?

you love to weigh in with your opinions without bothering to figure out anything at all.

what ozone concentration IS harmful to plastics? what ozone concentration would effectively kill a biofilm? all you do by saying "well, hur hur, it's possible!" is muddle the waters.

it's POSSIBLE you'll someday post something that's accurate and supported... but I'm skeptical.
You posted the following.
palerider wrote:given the proven fact that ozone is harmful to metals and plastics, it's interesting to note that there's *nothing* to prevent backdraft into the blower unit as the ozone allegedly circulates through the humidifier and hose...

so, either it does nothing of note (most likely) or it's slowly destroying the cpap...
I presume you didn't just "weigh in with your opinion without bothering to figure out anything at all." You obviously have well verified "accurate and supported" scientific data to support your statement. Links to articles in peer reviewed scientific journals preferred.

I'm glad you obviously have some good data on this. I've been wanting to see some good data on this question for a long time.

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Re: so clean 2

Post by palerider » Thu May 19, 2016 8:14 am

archangle wrote:I presume you didn't just "weigh in with your opinion without bothering to figure out anything at all." You obviously have well verified "accurate and supported" scientific data to support your statement. Links to articles in peer reviewed scientific journals preferred.

I'm glad you obviously have some good data on this. I've been wanting to see some good data on this question for a long time.
I read what was posted by someone that talks like they have knowledge of the subject, believing that they know what they're talking about, because they claim to work with ozone purification equipment.

but, you're right, I haven't done the research myself...

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