so clean 2

casey042254 · Post by **casey042254** » Mon May 16, 2016 7:30 pm

still thinking about buying the so clean 2 sanitizer anyone out there use one or can give me any feed back?

Julie · Post by **Julie** » Mon May 16, 2016 7:41 pm

It's the worst snake oil nonsense out there... big waste of time, money, energy, etc. etc.

Do a forum search on it and see what comes up.

LSAT · Post by **LSAT** » Mon May 16, 2016 8:11 pm

casey042254 wrote:still thinking about buying the so clean 2 sanitizer anyone out there use one or can give me any feed back?

Did you even read all the feedback you got the last time you asked this question?

palerider · Post by **palerider** » Mon May 16, 2016 8:35 pm

casey042254 wrote:still thinking about buying the so clean 2 sanitizer anyone out there use one or can give me any feed back?

if you're just wanting to throw away money, throw some my way, I'll send you a gadget or something and tell you some slick bullshit so you can think you've gotten something worthwhile for your money.

Kittamaru · Post by **Kittamaru** » Mon May 16, 2016 8:44 pm

I posted this in the other "So Clean" thread I found, figured I'd repost it here as well for visibility (if I can save you some money, all the better!)

Kittamaru wrote:Sorry to dredge up an old post, but figured I'd put my .02 in here as I saw the question about these "so clean" machines come up again:

I used to work with a restoration company... and one of our bigger investments was in an ozone +... something (I can't remember the other name) chamber. Now, this thing was rather cool - it was especially useful for delicate items damaged by smoke/soot from a fire. You put the items in, run the cycle, purge the air, and when you retrieve the items, the soot will basically fall off. That was nifty, but not its main purpose.

Its big thing was sanitizing anything biological. We used it primarily for furniture that had bed bug or other insect infestations... and it was crazy good at it. Ozone is... well, the best way I can put it is thus - if it is a carbon based life organic life form... ozone in sufficient concentrations for a sufficient duration WILL KILL IT.

A study was done on this specifically regarding bed bugs:
https://ag.purdue.edu/entm/ENTM%20493%2 ... ummary.pdf

Ozone is a wonderful sanitizing and disinfecting agent at the right concentrations. HOWEVER, it is NOT a cleaner. Cleaning vs Sanitizing vs Disinfecting are two very distinct things. Cleaning involves the removal of visible debris or other "topical dirt" from something. Sanitizing reduces the occurrence and growth of microscopic organisms. Disinfecting kills the microorganisms... ideally all of them.

Now... a "So Clean" could, in theory, use Ozone to sanitize or disinfect CPAP equipment... however, I am not sure I believe that that little machine can achieve the required concentration of O3 to do the job, then disperse it safely. For one, you are looking at using 20 kWh per kg O3 generating Ozone from regular air using Coronal Discharge... and you are looking at needing concentrations in the .1 to .5 parts per million range (when using O3 and Water as a solution) for disinfecting, with a few minutes contact time. That should ensure the elimination of bacteria, virii, algae, spores, moldd, fungi, etc.

Its disinfecting capability is measured in CT, which is a function of contact time and concentration.

http://www.ozonesolutions.com/info/ozon ... sinfection
"CT" is the product of "residual disinfectant concentration" (C) in mg/l, and the corresponding "disinfectant contact time" (T) in minutes. In other words, for ozone CT, it is the dissolved ozone concentration multiplied by the contact time. (remember that 1 mg/l = 1 PPM)
If you are using JUST O3 (no water carrier), I'm not sure what the values are in that case... I'd imagine much higher or a longer exposure time.

So... in conclusion, it IS possible to sanitize and disinfect CPAP equipment with Ozone.
According to a rep from Better Rest Solutions (who makes the So Clean)
http://www.apneaboard.com/forums/Thread ... 0#pid16000

it puts out 140ppm... how accurate that is, well, I don't have one nor do I have the equipment to test that statement.

Something to consider though - while an ozone machine would be effective in disinfecting a CPAP system... it would also risk damaging it. Ozone is a powerful oxidizer and can quickly turn plastics brittle, damage rubber seals and gaskets, and even corrode electrical components and metals (such as the pump engine in your CPAP).

Overall... while a neat idea in theory, I would NOT recommend such a machine.

chunkyfrog · Post by **chunkyfrog** » Mon May 16, 2016 9:10 pm

Excuse my strong laguage, but:
SHILL

Gasper62 · Post by **Gasper62** » Mon May 16, 2016 9:24 pm

Just read some of the reviews over on Amazon. They told me all I ever needed to know about those machines. "NOT RECOMMENDED by ResMed"........... YMMV.

lordvader · Post by **lordvader** » Mon May 16, 2016 9:48 pm

Definitely will disinfect your mask and machine all while damaging it. No thanks!

palerider · Post by **palerider** » Mon May 16, 2016 10:48 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:Excuse my strong laguage, but:
SHILL

in all fairness... he did say he wouldn't recommend it

Matt00926 · Post by **Matt00926** » Tue May 17, 2016 8:40 am

mild dish soap is like 99 cents and will last you months. you have to be one lazy slob to not be able to take five minutes to wash, rinse and hang to dry your equipment whenever you determine it's time to clean.

Sir NoddinOff · Post by **Sir NoddinOff** » Tue May 17, 2016 9:22 am

Waste of money... use soap and water.

Okie bipap · Post by **Okie bipap** » Tue May 17, 2016 9:26 am

On your previous post on this subject, a couple of people that had the machine posted their opinion of the machine. Did you even bother to read what others wrote? If you had, you would have found their opinions. If you want the machine, go buy it. There is no need to keep posting here looking for validation on a decision you have obviously already made.As stated many time on various posts, the amount of cleaning one does on their apap equipment is a very personal choice. What is good enough for one person may not be appropriate for someone else. We all decide what is appropriate based our own personal preferences.

chunkyfrog · Post by **chunkyfrog** » Tue May 17, 2016 9:38 am

palerider wrote:
chunkyfrog wrote:Excuse my strong language, but:
SHILL
in all fairness... he did say he wouldn't recommend it

I meant the OP.
Is Casey really curious?
--Or just starting a discussion about a scam that is neither new nor effective, AND PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED IN DEPTH.
Referring to Kittamaru's comments, those uses for ozone do not expose delicate equipment to a caustic gas,
This appropriate use for the technology will employ higher concentrations than would ever be permitted for home use.
Consumer safety laws would mandate any home unit to be vastly ineffective by comparison.

palerider · Post by **palerider** » Tue May 17, 2016 1:53 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:
palerider wrote:
chunkyfrog wrote:Excuse my strong language, but:
SHILL
in all fairness... he did say he wouldn't recommend it
I meant the OP.
Is Casey really curious?
--Or just starting a discussion about a scam that is neither new nor effective, AND PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED IN DEPTH.
Referring to Kittamaru's comments, those uses for ozone do not expose delicate equipment to a caustic gas,
This appropriate use for the technology will employ higher concentrations than would ever be permitted for home use.
Consumer safety laws would mandate any home unit to be vastly ineffective by comparison.

given the proven fact that ozone is harmful to metals and plastics, it's interesting to note that there's *nothing* to prevent backdraft into the blower unit as the ozone allegedly circulates through the humidifier and hose...

so, either it does nothing of note (most likely) or it's slowly destroying the cpap...

What A Bargain!

chunkyfrog · Post by **chunkyfrog** » Tue May 17, 2016 2:04 pm

And if your pet should take a nap nearby--
This could end very badly.

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