Women with sleep apnea please reply

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Post by 49er » Sat Apr 02, 2016 7:12 am

KillingMe wrote:
SleepyEyes21 wrote:Imagedon't want to give false hope here
I can't believe you would say that to the young Sleepygirl84. SMH. You want to take her hope away?

I can tell you for sure, my diagnosis of depression was completely wrong. It was sleep apnea all along and CPAP has cured it. I need to put up a new avatar, because I am a completely different man since I started using CPAP.

One of the bad things that happened to me was going to a counselor who told me I had depression and it would probably bother me the rest of my life. That was a load on me that slowed me down. I wish to this day I had never seen that guy.

Please don't tell these young people that they cannot be cured of depression. They can be cured and I am living evidence of that.
KillingMe,

I know I am off topic but people like that counselor that you encountered greatly anger me. Essentially, when I was put on psych meds and wasted 15 years of life before I got off of them, I was given the message that my condition was forever. What a bunch of BS.

I am glad you were finally diagnosed correctly and are now living a completely different life.

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Post by KillingMe » Sat Apr 02, 2016 7:37 am

49er wrote:I know I am off topic but people like that counselor that you encountered greatly anger me. Essentially, when I was put on psych meds and wasted 15 years of life before I got off of them, I was given the message that my condition was forever. What a bunch of BS.

I am glad you were finally diagnosed correctly and are now living a completely different life.

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I am so sorry this happened to you. It was very similar to what happened to me. They even gave me different antidepressants for some weeks. Every one they tried made me sicker.
49er wrote:I was given the message that my condition was forever. What a bunch of BS
Like I mentioned, that "forever" diagnosis was horrible. It was just not true. You are right about the BS.

I would like to give Sleepygirl84 great hope that she can have a family and lead a fantastic life.

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Post by PEF » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:40 am

This is only just MY OPINION, but I had depression and anxiety for years and I now know that sleep apnea was a big part of that. I really hated these Psychiatrists who assume that it is all mental and never try to figure what is REALLY causing their patients depression and anxiety. And I really resent all the drugs they gave me. I guess they all need to make the payments on their expensive houses and cars.

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Post by Julie » Sun Apr 03, 2016 8:56 am

I assume your GP sent you to psychiatrists AFTER trying to rule out physical causes for your problem... it's not the psychiatrists' place to look for those... they'd assume you have emotional problems if you've been referred to them.

Your attitude is so childish sounding however - no one forced you to take drugs and resenting one medical field's monetary success (I guess your husband's practice just didn't pay well?) is more so.

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Post by BlackSpinner » Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:44 am

Julie wrote:I assume your GP sent you to psychiatrists AFTER trying to rule out physical causes for your problem... it's not the psychiatrists' place to look for those... they'd assume you have emotional problems if you've been referred to them.

Your attitude is so childish sounding however - no one forced you to take drugs and resenting one medical field's monetary success (I guess your husband's practice just didn't pay well?) is more so.
No most don't bother. They either prescribe the meds themselves or send you to a psychiatrist. The whole concept of physical ailments causing depression is fairly new. Plus if you are going to see someone for help and paying through the nose most people will bloody well take the medications to hope for relief. The last thing most people do in that situation is question their specialists, they have enough to deal with.

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Post by Julie » Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:53 am

The concept of physical ailments causing depression is not even remotely new! But if a GP (or equivalent) does not check you for possible physical causes, then you should change your GP. There are many quite valid and potentially serious physical problems that (at least over time) manifest as depression - certainly many of the endocrine related and neurological ones, and any GP who does not do at least basic investigation of those should have their license pulled... but if the doctors just don't have much experience or education in sleep problems - tho' how they manage to avoid it these days is beyond me - they should certainly be educating themselves.

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Post by Sir NoddinOff » Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:58 am

I think it's fair to say the truth about depression is usually somewhere amid the middle ground of these two diverging opinions. Possibly some impact, possibly not... people are different. I don't see what all the fuss is about.

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Post by 49er » Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:59 am

Julie wrote:I assume your GP sent you to psychiatrists AFTER trying to rule out physical causes for your problem... it's not the psychiatrists' place to look for those... they'd assume you have emotional problems if you've been referred to them.

Your attitude is so childish sounding however - no one forced you to take drugs and resenting one medical field's monetary success (I guess your husband's practice just didn't pay well?) is more so.
Julie,

I have to respectfully disagree.

It didn't happen in my case but many GPs (not all) do refer patients to psychiatrist when they can't diagnose a medical condition. Or they will prescribe med themselves and provide horrific follow up care.

It is the responsibility of all physicians and not just psychiatrists to make sure something isn't being missed. So yes, if the situation dictates, they do need to make sure a physical problem isn't response for the emotional issues being presented. And by the way, I vaguely recall reading the story of someone who was depressed and responded very poorly to antidepressants.

It was a psychiatrist who suggested that the person get a sleep study and it turned out he had sleep apnea. If the psychiatrist had thought his duties ended with emotional problems, the poor patient never would have been properly diagnosed.

Actually, many people are subtly coerced to take psych meds. I can't say I was but I do feel like I wasn't given the total picture. And when I finally made the decision to taper, while my psychiatrist did cooperate with my slow tapering plan, he kept subtly making it clear he expected me to fail. So yeah, I do consider that a form of coercion.

And essentially staying my condition was for life under the false pretenses of a chemical imbalance was also not good.

But just so folks know, I don't know blame him for not being diagnosed with sleep apnea as it wasn't on my radar and I had no idea it existed. It was a few years after I had gotten off of meds, that a family member asked me about the possibility.

Finally, I wish you wouldn't refer to anger at psychiatry as childish sounding. People have a right to be angry if they feel the years were wasted with ineffective medical treatment of the profession, particularly when there are now so many studies that show that these meds are mostly ineffective. They work for a small portion of people but for most people, they don't.

Regarding the medical field's monetary success, if I like the doctor and feel they help me, I don't care how much money they make. If they don't, I do. But I think they call that human nature, right?

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Post by 49er » Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:03 am

Sir NoddinOff wrote:I think it's fair to say the truth about depression is usually somewhere amid the middle ground of these two diverging opinions. Possibly some impact, possibly not... people are different. I don't see what all the fuss is about.
We just need something to argue about SNO.

To address your point, it sure does seem like quite a few people have shown up on apnea boards who were initially misdiagnosed as having depression but turned out to have sleep apnea. But I do agree you can't automatically say that all cases of depression and anxiety are really sleep apnea.

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Post by 49er » Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:06 am

BlackSpinner wrote:
Julie wrote:I assume your GP sent you to psychiatrists AFTER trying to rule out physical causes for your problem... it's not the psychiatrists' place to look for those... they'd assume you have emotional problems if you've been referred to them.

Your attitude is so childish sounding however - no one forced you to take drugs and resenting one medical field's monetary success (I guess your husband's practice just didn't pay well?) is more so.
No most don't bother. They either prescribe the meds themselves or send you to a psychiatrist. The whole concept of physical ailments causing depression is fairly new. Plus if you are going to see someone for help and paying through the nose most people will bloody well take the medications to hope for relief. The last thing most people do in that situation is question their specialists, they have enough to deal with.
Exactly BS. And with popularity of coordinated care in which regular and mental health care is coordinated under one setting growing in popularity, it is only going to get worse in my opinion.

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Post by Sir NoddinOff » Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:13 am

49er wrote: We just need something to argue about SNO. .
For a minute there while posting I started to feel like a police officer who shows up at a domestic disturbance call and ends up being the one going to the ER

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Post by Julie » Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:18 am

49er - to be clear I meant that the way PEF expressed her feelings on the subject sounded childish - resentful in the way children express things - not that being angry at psychiatry (tho' I don't believe all should be lumped together) is in itself necessarily childish.

I am sorry you had such a p...k of a doctor tho', to encourage you to continue on meds when you were trying to get off them.

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Post by KillingMe » Sun Apr 03, 2016 12:57 pm

49er wrote: you can't automatically say that all cases of depression and anxiety are really sleep apnea.
No one on here has said that. If you are a good reader, you see words such as probably, likely, may be, could be.

I just got a little bit upset when SleepyEyes21 tried to discourage the young girl who started this thread.

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Post by Lucyhere » Sun Apr 03, 2016 8:24 pm

SleepyEyes21 wrote:... also not necessarily true that depression and anxiety can "...be eliminated if you become a faithful, effective user of CPAP." True that sleeping better can help improve symptoms at times, yet will not always eliminate them (don't want to give false hope here.) OSA is only one factor in developing depression; there are MANY more than one, and people that suffer with depression/anxiety usually have multiple causal factors.

For some fortunate people depression/anxiety may be eliminated if a consistent cpap user. However, as said above, OSA is only one factor when diagnosed with depression/anxiety i.e., "multiple causal factors", which is why it is likely that many people will not be cured by being a faithful user of cpap. Being a faithful user of CPAP didn't help a friend of mine at all, but there were other things that did.


There is no reason why the OP should feel discouraged, she just may be one of those fortunate people who uses her mask and instantly feels better. However, the reality of the situation is that while one person may be helped, another might not be.

This is a hot button topic all over the internet and will always result in different opinions based on one's own experience or that of a family member or friend.
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Post by SleepyEyes21 » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:19 pm

KillingMe wrote:
49er wrote: you can't automatically say that all cases of depression and anxiety are really sleep apnea.
No one on here has said that. If you are a good reader, you see words such as probably, likely, may be, could be.

I just got a little bit upset when SleepyEyes21 tried to discourage the young girl who started this thread.
KM- perhaps you should go back to the beginning of this thread and read each post again; you've obviously missed a few.

In the literary world, the generally accepted definition of a "good reader" includes someone who has above-average reading comprehension skills, and someone who can interpret the written word in the context it is presented in. Now- you might think you're a 'good reader,' however I think you need to brush up on your skills (and maybe slow down on the speed reading.)

FYI- I never tried to discourage the OP, so that is an untruth. In fact, I never addressed her. (Go check- you really should.)

Your next assignment: Re-think what I actually said (and to whom) in my original post in this thread and post your corrected summary in an appropriate response. Thank you.

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