Cracked ribs

[BlackSpinner]

Yes breaking that rib is a problem. I have some bone loss and I managed to get thrown off a horse without breaking anything. Bruising was another issues, but nothing broke.

[chunkyfrog]

When I learned about the phosphoric acid in soft drinks, mostly colas, I stopped drinking them. (8+ years ago)
Phosphoric acid is a super cheap substitute for citric acid; but it causes calcium to be excreted in your urine
instead of being used to repair your bones; and its MSDS reveals it is not only toxic, but CAUSTIC!
I don't miss cola at all, but I do allow myself a diet Dr Pepper once a month.
My bone density is quite good for my age, and I take some credit for that.

[Abloke]

I have the exact machine that Paxton 5 has and on my first night 10th March I used my machine on a setting of 5 ramping up to 14 and woke this morning with a terrible stabbing pain. My wife took me to our local hospital who, after tests, told me I had a broken rib. The medical staff suggested that the machine was to blame and had overinflated my lungs causing a break. They suggested also that I get a bone density test done. But I wanted to back up Paxton with the same outcome.

[BlackSpinner]

I have the exact machine that Paxton 5 has and on my first night 10th March I used my machine on a setting of 5 ramping up to 14 and woke this morning with a terrible stabbing pain. My wife took me to our local hospital who, after tests, told me I had a broken rib. The medical staff suggested that the machine was to blame and had overinflated my lungs causing a break. They suggested also that I get a bone density test done. But I wanted to back up Paxton with the same outcome.

The bloody machine can't inflate a balloon when set at 20cm.

[Wulfman...]

I have the exact machine that Paxton 5 has and on my first night 10th March I used my machine on a setting of 5 ramping up to 14 and woke this morning with a terrible stabbing pain. My wife took me to our local hospital who, after tests, told me I had a broken rib. The medical staff suggested that the machine was to blame and had overinflated my lungs causing a break. They suggested also that I get a bone density test done. But I wanted to back up Paxton with the same outcome.

These machines CAN'T inflate your lungs......PERIOD!!! They're incapable of generating that much pressure.


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[palerider]

I have the exact machine that Paxton 5 has and on my first night 10th March I used my machine on a setting of 5 ramping up to 14 and woke this morning with a terrible stabbing pain. My wife took me to our local hospital who, after tests, told me I had a broken rib. The medical staff suggested that the machine was to blame and had overinflated my lungs causing a break. They suggested also that I get a bone density test done. But I wanted to back up Paxton with the same outcome.

again... tell your wife to stop using the baseball bat on your ribs, and switch to your head, since there's nothing useful happening in there.

*fun fact: it takes 20-40 times the pressure a cpap generates to blow up a small latex balloon.

[archangle]

Let me give you an idea how much pressure CPAP generates.

Get a soda straw and a tall glass of water. Put 8 inches (20 cm) of water into the glass. Put the straw into the glass of water and then gently blow into it until you just start getting bubbles coming out at the bottom of the glass. At that point, the pressure in your lungs is 20 cmH2O.

Try it. Do you feel any distress or feel like your lungs are going to pop or your ribs are going to crack?

20 cmH2O is the maximum pressure that most CPAP machines will create.

This guy here gets 800 mmHg of pressure blowing up a balloon. That's over 1000 cmH2O pressure, or 50 times CPAP pressure.

If you can blow up a balloon, you are generating about 50 times as much pressure as CPAP does.

[Paxton05]

This may be hard for some of you to believe but this but it is absolutely true. As I've mentioned before I have rls , as a result of this I sleep all over . On many nights I will pull out the queen size air mattress and sleep on the floor. What I do is take my mask off and stick the hose in the air matress and the cpap machine is now a air pump. It takes about 2 minutes to fully inflate . I don't know what the air pressure is, but it should not be able to blow up a air mattress and then be expected to be at a safe pressure for me to use.

[palerider]

This may be hard for some of you to believe but this but it is absolutely true. As I've mentioned before I have rls , as a result of this I sleep all over . On many nights I will pull out the queen size air mattress and sleep on the floor. What I do is take my mask off and stick the hose in the air matress and the cpap machine is now a air pump. It takes about 2 minutes to fully inflate . I don't know what the air pressure is, but it should not be able to blow up a air mattress and then be expected to be at a safe pressure for me to use.

math, and conversion tables are your friends, and more believable than "hurdadur, I broke all my ribs on cpap and then used it to inflate my car tires".

regular cpap, 20cm/h20 *max*.

aaaaand, if you put that into a conversion calculator which you can find through that google thing, 20cm/h2o comes out to about 0.284466866686 PSI.

so, for you to be able to comfortably lay on your air mattress... you'd have to be VERY light, otherwise you'd sink to the floor, based on the mattress pressure mapping information one can easily find on the net:


have you confused cpap with the outlet of the vacuum cleaner?

[BlackSpinner]

. What I do is take my mask off and stick the hose in the air matress and the cpap machine is now a air pump. It takes about 2 minutes to fully inflate . I don't know what the air pressure is, but it should not be able to blow up a air mattress and then be expected to be at a safe pressure for me to use.

Yes it inflates it (but not hard enough to get your ass off the floor) but your body is not an air mattress. It breathes in and out and is porous. If you stop breathing for over 2 minutes you have a much bigger problem.

There are little kids on cpap with the same pressures. They do fine.

[Sir NoddinOff]

Hey, fellow CPAPtalk members, you guys are being pranked. Everything the OP sez is implausible and suspicious. Someone had to point it out eventually.

[BlackSpinner]

Hey, fellow CPAPtalk members, you guys are being pranked. Everything the OP sez is implausible and suspicious. Someone had to point it out eventually.

No, I have seen it happen with elderly people with coughing spasms and there were lots of warnings in my massage classes about working with the elderly. You should also be hearing about it if you take training in CPR because you can shatter their rib cage with one good push. It is not impossible but the problem is NOT cpap therapy but the issue with porous bones. It is a HUGE red flag for other issues that should be followed up ASAP. It amounts to shooting the messenger.

[chunkyfrog]

Coughing or sneezing I can buy, because the force is
MANY TIMES greater than cpap, or even bipap.
But a cpap producing this much force is UTTER NONSENSE!
This pressure may be enough to harm a newborn, but any adult that fragile is as good as dead already.

[Sonnyboy]

Coughing or sneezing I can buy, because the force is
MANY TIMES greater than cpap, or even bipap.
But a cpap producing this much force is UTTER NONSENSE!
This pressure may be enough to harm a newborn, but any adult that fragile is as good as dead already.

I don't know about Cpap being a problem, seems unlikely.

but the rest of what BlackSpinner says is true.
For the elderly with severe osteoporosis things like falling out of bed and breaking a hip with the resultant loss of mobility, a cracked rib from any cause interfering with breathing due to pain is not good due to the risk of pneumonia. Even bending over or a hug can crack a rib in patients with severe osteoporosis. CPR can break ribs in anyone but the risk is even greater for the elderly patients with severe osteoporosis.

[palerider]

Coughing or sneezing I can buy, because the force is
MANY TIMES greater than cpap, or even bipap.
But a cpap producing this much force is UTTER NONSENSE!
This pressure may be enough to harm a newborn, but any adult that fragile is as good as dead already.

I don't know about Cpap being a problem, seems unlikely.

but the rest of what BlackSpinner says is true.
For the elderly with severe osteoporosis things like falling out of bed and breaking a hip with the resultant loss of mobility, a cracked rib from any cause interfering with breathing due to pain is not good due to the risk of pneumonia. Even bending over or a hug can crack a rib in patients with severe osteoporosis. CPR can break ribs in anyone but the risk is even greater for the elderly in patients with severe osteoporosis.

not doubting Blackspinner in any way... just saying/agreeing that it's not the cpap that's doing it. (or blowing up air mattresses... or balloons