Resmed Warning for eBayers?

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Re: Resmed Warning for eBayers?

Post by BlackSpinner » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:19 am

PoolQ wrote:
so all this talk about rights and just hanging in there is all fine and dandy right until you get a legal serving hauling your butt into court and requiring you to write quite large checks to lawyers. Even if you are right 100%. It can cost you $10's of thousands to defend being right, and no you probably will not recover your legal fees.

Yes and this is what they are counting on. Legal bullying and intimidation. Nobody can afford a lawsuit if their incomes comes from making ugly hats with big orange pompoms.

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Re: Resmed Warning for eBayers?

Post by chunkyfrog » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:29 am

So, one may need to take a clue from the REALLY illegal/dishonest small businesses;
Move around a lot. Establishing a site and expecting to use it indefinitely is a fantasy.
Just skip town like a thief--even if you are not. Unlike a "fence", the cops are not looking for you.
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Re: Resmed Warning for eBayers?

Post by PST » Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:25 pm

I would avoid using any ResMed art of any kind. It is tempting to cut and paste a picture from an ad or web site to illustrate what is for sale, but that might actually be a copyright violation.

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Re: Resmed Warning for eBayers?

Post by sleepylynn » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:43 pm

Agreements were reached banning any one from saying what was in the agreements, but it leaked that you had to say you did wrong and if you ever did it again you were on the hook for $1M. oh and you had to send them the card reader.

so all this talk about rights and just hanging in there is all fine and dandy right until you get a legal serving hauling your butt into court and requiring you to write quite large checks to lawyers. Even if you are right 100%. It can cost you $10's of thousands to defend being right, and no you probably will not recover your legal fees.
If I'm reading this right, the case you describe is about stealing satellite TV (I assume that's what you mean by "hacking" it)...which is a huge difference from selling CPAP mask parts online. One is definitely illegal, the other is not.
PST wrote:I would avoid using any ResMed art of any kind. It is tempting to cut and paste a picture from an ad or web site to illustrate what is for sale, but that might actually be a copyright violation.
This is what I was thinking - wonder if they're using the presence of their copyrighted images in an eBay listing as an excuse to strong-arm the seller. Copyright is a tetchy subject.

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Re: Resmed Warning for eBayers?

Post by PoolQ » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:12 pm

What I am talking about is it may be perfectly legal or at least not illegal and unless you have the resources to write a big check to the lawyer be careful

with the sat hacking there was ZERO proof that anyone that bought an ISO programmer was doing anything illegal with it. Nothing, zero, nada. But the suits were filed anyway.
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Re: Resmed Warning for eBayers?

Post by SewTired » Wed Dec 09, 2015 5:17 pm

Have you considered complaining to Ebay about the posting by supposed Resmed? Explain to them that their post IMPLIES that you are doing something illegal and you are not and want it removed.

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Re: Resmed Warning for eBayers?

Post by chunkyfrog » Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:46 pm

Just a thought; but the message may actually be a competitor impersonating ResMed.

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Re: Resmed Warning for eBayers?

Post by flightco » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:46 pm

Darth Lady wrote:It would seem best for listings to eliminate their name (which they would consider their property, like calling a photocopy a Xerox used to cause problems). But as others have noted, mask parts don't fall under the medical device prescription rules.:
I don't believe it is like calling a photocopy a Xerox, it is much closer to selling your Ford truck and calling it a "Ford" truck because that is what it is. You can use the name of a product you legally obtained to sell that product. No I am not an attorney nor do I play one on TV, I learned this from a marketing class taken several years ago and also from our corporate attorneys when we were deciding what to do about companies selling parts for our equipment on Ebay; we could only go after them if they said a part was a "..." part if in fact it was not a part provided originally by us but by a 3rd party.

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Re: Resmed Warning for eBayers?

Post by Guest » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:03 pm

dtsm wrote:Every once in a while when I have extra pillows, will post on eBay for sale (or here at cpaptalk ). I got a 'warning notice' via eBay from Resmed that reads:

ResMed has established a US Internet Sales Policy requiring that its products be sold over the Internet only by approved Internet Providers and only if consistent with the Internet Sales Policy. Most of ResMed’s products are regulated by the FDA, are classified as Class II medical devices, and require a prescription. ResMed has identified that you are selling ResMed products via ebay, but you are not on ResMed’s list of Authorized Internet Providers. Only ResMed Authorized Internet Providers may use ResMed intellectual property, offer ResMed warranties on products, or claim an online affiliation with ResMed. If you are an Authorized Internet Provider of ResMed products, please contact ResMed Internet Sales at 800-424-0737 within 5 business days. If you are not an Authorized Internet Provider, we require that you immediately remove all ResMed products from ebay.

Michael J. Rider Esq. | Vice President & General Counsel - Americas


From a quick survey, they're over 2000+ ResMed brand products on eBay....selling for a few dollars each. Are they serious?
Yes, they’re serious…about being Internet Trolls!

Seriously, if you didn’t sign a contract with Resmed, or represent to anyone that you’re a “dealer” or “representative” for Resmed, this character has no standing to do anything other than sending you annoying emails (if you choose to read them). Report the sender to eBay as a spammer.

A very old legal doctrine in the United States holds that one may not bind another (in a contract). Glad to hear that Resmed has an “internet sales policy,” but whatever that is not binding on any of us, unless if any of “us” have contracted directly with Resmed for the sale of their products.

Displaying the Resmed name or logo on an item you’re selling on eBay, because it’s present and picked up by the camera, is covered under the “fair use” doctrine, which is protected under Federal law. If those are Resmed products you’re selling, and you legitimately own them, have no fear of retribution for listing them accurately. In fact, you’d be negligent if you saw an identifying mark (like a Resmed logo) and didn’t describe it to a buyer.

If you’re not offering any Resmed warranties on the items you’re selling, and not representing yourself as affiliated with Resmed, you’ve automatically opted yourself out of the nonsense with which this idiot has threatened.

But the best part of Mr. Rider’s post was the warning about Class II Medical Devices. This is what the US FDA has to say about Class II medical devices, as of a few seconds ago:

"Class II devices are higher risk devices than Class I and require greater regulatory controls to provide reasonable assurance of the device’s safety and effectiveness. For example, condoms are classified as Class II devices.”

Have you ever heard of anyone being sued, arrested, or even threatened for selling condoms? And can you think of any (real) pharmacy in the United States that has ever required a prescription to sell condoms (which the US FDA is apparently also classifying as a Class II Medical Device)? And all this over listing for pillows?

In a 30 second web search, I found that Mr. Rider was previously the General Counsel of Callaway Golf Company in 2008, and appears to now be working for Resmed in a similar capacity. His specialty appears to be intellectual property and patents. Unfortunately, it doesn’t also include “common sense,” or we wouldn’t be ridiculing him with impunity.

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Re: Resmed Warning for eBayers?

Post by araminta » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:13 pm

Well done, Guest!
I agree with you 100%

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Re: Resmed Warning for eBayers?

Post by dtsm » Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:33 pm

Funny and quite ironic update. Just got eBay notice this time (and not from ResMed) indicating I had violated one of the regulations re listing of item that required a Rx and therefore the listing was deleted.

My listing was for a Swift LT headset without pillows, which I saw listed by others without problems. The funny thing is the eBay notice and delistment came AFTER I long sold and completed the sale? Interesting my other listings, including for replacement pillows are still active and have sold off a few already.

Maybe complaint from ResMed to eBay, LOL!

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Re: Resmed Warning for eBayers?

Post by chunkyfrog » Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:39 pm

So, we just ignore the weenies?

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Re: Resmed Warning for eBayers?

Post by Chapper » Sun Dec 27, 2015 11:12 pm

It's interesting that Craigslist has tons of listings for used cpaps, but I couldn't find even one on Ebay or Amazon...