RemStar Pro with C-Flex+ (460P) Data Reset

[stcrim]

Does anyone know if when you reset (clear) the data of the RemStar Pro with C-Flex+ (460P) it also give you additional opportunities to use the APAP feature beyond 5? I loved my machine until it rolled over to the CPAP feature only.

I've noticed that lots of people like fixed pressure however for me I only need high pressure (based on SleepyHead) a few times a night. Starting out with it and keeping it all night has been very disruptive.

I prefer the APAP feature but like the machine. Can I have unlimited 30 day trials by using Reset Data? Thank you!

[Krelvin]

Not really. If you really want APAP you need to get a machine that offers that feature not just a machine that does a limited trial.

[Pugsy]

Can I have unlimited 30 day trials by using Reset Data?

It's my understanding that the resets giving you more 30 day periods are limited to the 5 resets.
I know of one person who was sold a used machine, but wasn't told it was used , found out that after the resets are used up the option for apap mode stays grayed out and is no longer a working option. It shows up in the menu but you can't get to it to change from cpap to apap mode.

Bummer I know because I would be in the same boat. My pressure needs are greater in REM stage sleep (like 6 to 8 cm more) and I would hate to have to use fixed pressure all night at the higher numbers just to deal with the short periods of time in REM.

[stcrim]

It would be easier to purchase a new AutoPAP however I've only had this one for about 6 weeks.

It appears there are a couple of options under the clinician menu. You can use Auto Trial which shows how many you have used up to 5. Also there is Data Reset which appears to reset everything but blower hours back to zero (0). I'm wondering if the Reset Data resets everything including the 5 trials under Auto Trial? I don't mind doing that every 30 days to be on an AutoPAP.

BTW the Reset Data is for when the machine is used with multiple users which may be a clue, I'm not sure.

[Pugsy]

I'm wondering if the Reset Data resets everything including the 5 trials under Auto Trial?

Nope. It doesn't give you more trials.
Once the 5 trials are used up apap trial is no longer available period.
Subsequent resets after the 5 resets are done will only reset the usual data like hours of use and AHI and that stuff.

So don't get too happy with doing the reset. Save each for when the 30 days are up. It's programmed so that once the 5 resets are done that apap trial mode is no longer part of the reset.
So don't burn those resets until they are needed.

[sc0ttt]

It's programmed so that once the 5 resets are done that apap trial mode is no longer part of the reset.

Is there any reason for this other than just having two price points? Are the 460 and a 560 literally the same machine except for the software on 460 that locks out APAP mode after 5 trials?

[Pugsy]

Is there any reason for this other than just having two price points?

I suppose that is as good a reason as any. Seems kinda stupid to me but then they didn't ask my opinion.

Are the 460 and a 560 literally the same machine except for the software on 460 that locks out APAP mode after 5 trials?

I actually think that they are all pretty much the same machine...the low end brick to the 560 except for firmware/software inside the machine. I can't prove it though. I just don't see it being productive to have so many different models in production. Makes more sense to me to produce a " base " unit that will functionally do everything and then have the software/firmware tell it what it can and can't do. I could be all wet though. Wouldn't be the first time.

Now I haven't formed much of an opinion about the machines once we move to the bilevel model line but if you think about it I would think the same could be done with them.

I think that they (machine manufacturers) all should just offer the APAP model as standard machine and since it can be set however the RX requires in either cpap or apap mode...be done with it. Totally do away with the bricks and the cpap only machines. That way the patient actually has a chance to have something that really works for them with the current available options just in case they might come in handy. Geez...it's our life we are dealing with here. Why do they treat this like we are working with plutonium or something? It just fricking air.

Anyway, that's my own personal thoughts on it. I have no proof but I bet the guts inside these machines are all pretty much the same.

[stcrim]

It still leaves me with the question of why the machine would have a "Reset Data" feature for use with multiple users. If it converts to a straight CPAP after 5 trials it seems like it would have little value in a clinical setting.

[Pugsy]

Reset data feature has been around a long time in all the machines. It's so they can pawn off a used machine as new with 0 therapy hours because most people don't know to look at the total run hours. That's what happened to the guy I was telling you about. He got a machine from a DME and it was presented as "new 0 hour" and we found out it had nearly a 1,000 hours on it. He paid for new too. Was not a happy camper to find out he had been lied to.

Also the reset data thing keeps from mixing prior user data into the reports.

Respironics (or the other manufacturers) don't really think of us the patient as their customer...they think of the DME as their customer so the bulk of what is out there in features is to make the DME happy so they will buy their products. We as users, are just peons. Sad state of things but it is the way it is.