Newbie - considering AirSense 10 purchase - No WiFi ???

[radeohedca]

I'm a newbie diagnosed with APNEA, looking to buy my first CPAP machine.
Doing all the research I can, I'm leaning towards the ResMed AirSense 10 Autoset. The show stopper for this model is the need to pull the SD card out and plug it into my computer to access the data. To do this daily or even weekly, that's a PITA and a lot of wear and tear on the connectors and card. I would have thought that they'd have built WiFi in being such a newer model. As I understand it, you can set it up to report to a server via cell network and have them email your report to you but I'm not keen on the big brother side of that so I'd probably set it to airplane mode. Also, is there no associated cell provider cost ? How does that work ?

What would be the next best machine that does have WiFi ?

I'm located near Toronto, Canada. Are there any localized forums where I can deal with people in my area in regard to supplies ?

Thanks !

[Pugsy]

There is no machine that will do what you want....let you pull all the data to your home computer without removing the SD card to transfer data to software on your computer.
But you can use a SD card that will allow you to do what you want.
See here this page down near the bottom where it talks about transferring your data to your computer.
https://sleep.tnet.com/equipment
It involves getting a very special SD card.

As for the big brother is watching thing on the AirSense machines...you can turn the transmitting feature off if that bugs you...just set it to airplane mode.
It will prompt you each time you use the machine "do you still want to use airplane mode" which takes a millisecond to get passed that screen.
As for the cost...we assume that ResMed is picking up the tab on that one and then it of course gets passed down the chain in terms of equipment costs. We pay for it in the end but it's with the price of the equipment and not a special/separate bill.

[radeohedca]

I'm a technical person, design electronics for a living. In this day and age I'm just surprised they don't allow users to access the data via WiFi. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

[Jay Aitchsee]

But there is MyAir which allows limited data access via internet and ResMed's onboard AirSense 10 cellular connection.
http://www.resmed.com/us/en/commercial- ... myair.html

[radeohedca]

But there is MyAir which allows limited data access via internet and ResMed's onboard AirSense 10 cellular connection.
http://www.resmed.com/us/en/commercial- ... myair.html

See my original post.
I don't want to be connected to a server.
I don't like the idea of having to plug and unplug an SD card in and out everytime I want to view my sleep data. That's old tech.

I cannot think of a good reason why they don't incorporate WiFi to let you do this wirelessly. It would add very little to the cost (<$5) and in fact could be a more cost effective way FOR THEM to access your data instead of using the cell network. Having both methods would be beneficial for people like me and for those who don't have home internet but DO want to be connected to the existing system.

[andycole]

my only concern with installing wireless SD card is when I have to take machine with me to RT or DME and the insurance coverage. BCBS has me on a 'rent-to-own' for 10 months and I don't want to jeapordize their share - machine was mega-bucks.

My AirCurve 10 ASV came with a ResMed card. So I guess I would have to keep flip-flopping cards to have full data on both. That's worse than pulling SD once a day after data has been transmitted to ResMed (myAIR).

[BlackSpinner]

I'm located near Toronto, Canada. Are there any localized forums where I can deal with people in my area in regard to supplies ?

There are quite a few people from Ontario on the board and there are several threads about suppliers and the ontario disabilities rules and regs.

viewtopic/t95962/ADP-changes-to-CPAP-in-Ontario.html

viewtopic/t107410/Need-a-GOOD-GTA-Ontar ... Scarb.html

Maybe change the title to reflect Ont.

ETA: there is someone who has developed what you want using a special card and software. Search for it.
viewtopic/t107986/Wireless-SD-Card-Data ... n--SH.html

[grayghost4]

In case you missed Pugsy's link above .. the flashair card is working well for some people:

http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Flash-Wir ... shari+card

[ramblingasian]

Also being from Ontario, you should read up on the ADP rules if you want to purchase the machine with OHIP discount. The likelyhood of you getting an APAP with OHIP and/or health insurance discount is completely dependent on your titration results. If you don't qualify for a APAP based on your titration results you will have to pay completely out of pocket for one. Most health insurance companies in Ontario require you to have ADP coverage prior to covering the remainder.

[radeohedca]

my only concern with installing wireless SD card is when I have to take machine with me to RT or DME and the insurance coverage. BCBS has me on a 'rent-to-own' for 10 months and I don't want to jeapordize their share - machine was mega-bucks.

My AirCurve 10 ASV came with a ResMed card. So I guess I would have to keep flip-flopping cards to have full data on both. That's worse than pulling SD once a day after data has been transmitted to ResMed (myAIR).

To clarify, I mean adding WiFi capability within the CPAP machine itself that lets you access the data on the SD Card. I'm talking about next generation CPAP machines. You could still remove the SD card for whatever insurance verification purposes but even that's old school. It wouldn't be difficult to implement a means of accessing the data on the CPAP machine using your computer via WiFi for your viewing, then send the files to your insurance company electronically if they require it. If you don't have internet then you can still do it the "old" way.

The FlashAir card might be a workaround that I may try but CPAP manufacturers should get with the times.

[LSAT]

But there is MyAir which allows limited data access via internet and ResMed's onboard AirSense 10 cellular connection.
http://www.resmed.com/us/en/commercial- ... myair.html

See my original post.
I don't want to be connected to a server.
I don't like the idea of having to plug and unplug an SD card in and out everytime I want to view my sleep data. That's old tech.

I cannot think of a good reason why they don't incorporate WiFi to let you do this wirelessly. It would add very little to the cost (<$5) and in fact could be a more cost effective way FOR THEM to access your data instead of using the cell network. Having both methods would be beneficial for people like me and for those who don't have home internet but DO want to be connected to the existing system.

There is no reason for THEM (Mfg) to want or need my data....The only thing I want the DME to see is for compliance. Here in the US we have health privacy laws.

[radeohedca]

There is no reason for THEM (Mfg) to want or need my data....The only thing I want the DME to see is for compliance. Here in the US we have health privacy laws.

I don't like it as well but my guess is that they collect data for their own research. Hopefully it doesn't go beyond them although we're in the age where everyone is so willing to trade their valuable personal information for goods or services ("trinkets" IMHO), so companies have come to unquestionably expect it from you, i.e. "Let us access your CPAP machine records and we'll e-mail you the results". No thanks... I'll use mine in airplane mode.

[Okie bipap]

Andycole wrote "my only concern with installing wireless SD card is when I have to take machine with me to RT or DME and the insurance coverage. BCBS has me on a 'rent-to-own' for 10 months and I don't want to jeapordize their share - machine was mega-bucks". I keep the Flashair card in my bipap machine until I need to take it in, then I remove the Flashair card, copy the DATLOG file and SETTINGS file to the desk top, then transfer them to the Resmed card. Place the Resmed card in the machine and take it in. I did that yesterday when my machine died and I had to swap it out.

[BlackSpinner]

It wouldn't be difficult to implement a means of accessing the data on the CPAP machine using your computer via WiFi for your viewing, then send the files to your insurance company electronically if they require it. If you don't have internet then you can still do it the "old" way.

The FlashAir card might be a workaround that I may try but CPAP manufacturers should get with the times.

They use cell phone technology because not everyone has wifi or a computer.

They are also not interested in your viewing the data. They are in bed with the DME's - The DME can charge for looking at your data and patting you on the head.

[Jay Aitchsee]

I cannot think of a good reason why they don't incorporate WiFi to let you do this wirelessly. It would add very little to the cost (<$5) and in fact could be a more cost effective way FOR THEM to access your data instead of using the cell network. Having both methods would be beneficial for people like me and for those who don't have home internet but DO want to be connected to the existing system.

Obviously the technology exists. I think the primary reason it is not available from the manufacturer to the patient is this "dispense on the order of physician" business that overshadows the entire DME industry here in the U.S. I think ResMed and others are simply covering their butts. My gawd, what if they blatantly allowed the patient to access information that would allow self treatment? Gasp!!

You must remember, you are not the customer of ResMed. The DME is their customer. ResMed has little incentive make things easier for you unless it benefits their customer (the DME) and ultimately their own bottom line.