How the Feds Made the Country Fat

[Paralel]

Pesticides and cancer, eh, I'm not sure about that one. There is nothing special about pesticides that would make them promote cancer. They would be like any other compound, they are either carcinogenic or not.

Now pesticides and neurological disorders, very well documented, and based on their mechanism of action, very easy to see how it causes them.

Pesticides and developmental defects in children, also well documented, and given their actions on neurological tissue, it's not hard to see how they could impact a developing neurological system.

[Janknitz]

There's not enough popcorn or bandwidth in the world to play out the GMO debate, and neither of us will convince the other. So I'm going to stop here. Keep eating however the hell you want.

[Janknitz]

gmo plants are bred to be resistant to pesticides so MORE pesticides can be used

You have that wrong. Pesticides are expensive and farmers manage their crops so that they can minimize the use of pesticides. No farmer wants to "bathe" their crops in pesticides. Every ounce of pesticide used is costing the farmer his hard-earned money.

You claim your diet is,

Fats 65% or greater

I am not buying this. If you eat "lots of vegetables" the math to get to 65% fat in the diet just does not work.

You are not a credible source of general information about a diet that is good for our population.

As I said I use plenty of butter, ghee, olive oil, coconut oil and/or animal fat with or on my veggies, eat fatty cuts of meat, fatty fish, and eat vegetables with natural fats (olives, avocado, nuts, coconut). It's entirely possible--to get even higher than 65% but not easy. You should try it sometime, it might improve your disposition.

[palerider]

speaking of pesticides:
http://modernfarmer.com/2014/11/landmar ... n-farmers/

[Therapist]

I am not buying this. If you eat "lots of vegetables" the math to get to 65% fat in the diet just does not work.

You are not a credible source of general information about a diet that is good for our population.

Cereal Killer, I am glad someone else besides me caught this. Eating a diet that is 65% fat sounds strange and hard to achieve. You won't find many people who will eat like this.

I don't worry about pesticides in my diet, but the people handling and applying pesticides should be careful about exposure.

I know Janknitz helps a lot of people with her blog - http://maskarrayed.wordpress.com/what-y ... me-part-i/

But I don't think many will follow her high-fat diet recommendations.

[brendastarr]

As I said I use plenty of butter, ghee, olive oil, coconut oil and/or animal fat with or on my veggies, eat fatty cuts of meat, fatty fish, and eat vegetables with natural fats (olives, avocado, nuts, coconut). It's entirely possible--to get even higher than 65% but not easy. You should try it sometime, it might improve your disposition.

For me, Janknitz's recommendations (like food she lists above) has changed my life. I lost about 25 pounds by eating those foods (and keeping weight off; BMI is good now), and not fearing those foods anymore. I can't thank her enough. Just my two cents. Thanks, Janknitz--I always check to see what you say on this forum.

[SleepWrangler]

Eating a diet that is 65% fat sounds strange and hard to achieve. You won't find many people who will eat like this.

There is a correlation between apnea, diabetes, and heart disease. People in this forum ought to be taking note.

My diet averages 4.0% carbohydrate, 14.2% protein, and 81.7% fat. I need approximately 1900 kcal per day for base metabolic rate, exercise for 800 kcal per day, for a total of 2700 kcal to be energy neutral. I also calorie restrict to less than 2700 kcal based on the amount of carbohydrates I've consumed. Why do all this? Because I am severely insulin resistant, including hepatic insulin resistance, and my insulin levels run too high otherwise.

Even though I run 6mi (10 km) every day, and my previous calorie restricted diet was praised by my doctors, I was headed for a stroke or another heart attack. By following a high fat intermittent fasting diet at least two leading indicators, HbA1c and apoB, are steadily improving. Maybe I can change macro-nutrients over time as my body adapts and my diet matures but concrete medical testing will always be my guide (in the same way sleepyhead data collection guides my sleep hygiene and CPAP settings).

I know Janknitz helps a lot of people. But I don't think many will follow her high-fat diet recommendations.

Luckily I was looking for alternatives to a carbohydrate based Vegan diet just this summer when Janknitz mentioned her method of eating. I kept an open mind. LCHF proved itself within a few weeks by cutting my average glucose level to that of a "normal" person. Previously I was struggling to maintain therapeutic values by exercising to the point of causing repetitive stress injuries. I probably still over-exercise but not nearly as much and stress injuries have since healed.

If you are interested in why the war on fat exists then try reading The Omnivore's Dilemma by Michael Polin, and Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes.

[Janknitz]

I've been very clear that an LCHF diet works for ME, primarily to illustrate the point that fat is not the enemy which is the point of Nina Teicholz's articles and book. That was the OP's point. I never said that this way of eating is what everyone can or should do, I was saying it has worked for ME. If your metabolism is perfectly normal and highly carbohydrate tolerant, lucky for YOU. Eat all the carbs you want, you're welcome to it.

I'll wager many people are here on an apnea forum because they are not metabolically perfect. To the extent that obesity is a cause of apnea, many people here are not getting improvement of their metabolic issues from following the standard low fat, high carb advice. Any speculation on the percentage of people here are diabetic??? I'll wager it's a very high number, because metabolic syndrome, diabetes, and apnea all share some common factors (and which came first is an unanswered question). People with metabolic issues are told over and over again to eat low fat, high carb, and when it doesn't work for them they must be doing it wrong, they need to do it better, or exercise harder.

What if that advice is just wrong? What if? Too many people are just too afraid of fat to even try another way. Fat worked for me, that's what I'm saying.

This video is a nice clear explanation. While he focuses on diabetes, he talks about metabolic syndrome too. It's all part of the same continuum. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=epsSVosmtUc Note the references cited.

[49er]

Janknitz,

I also read anything you post, particularly on diet. Not sure why folks thought you were evangelical as you were definitely only speaking about your experience and nothing more.

I am a thin female who has not been diagnosed with any metabolic issues. But eating junk food like candy, cupcakes, and alleged healthy food like fruit flavored oatmeal sends my blood sugar level up into the diabetic range according to my glucometer. Even something like rice cakes cause moderate spikes unless I eat them with butter.

I have had several stops and starts in trying to keep the grain carbs to a minimum. But I am determined to get there because I think eating this way is the best for me healthwise for various reasons.

One thing I am experimenting with is eating coconut butter which is quite satisfying. Unfortunately, it is expensive but when I have tried to make it, it simply doesn't taste as good. I will just have to keep working on getting the recipe right.

49er

I've been very clear that an LCHF diet works for ME, primarily to illustrate the point that fat is not the enemy which is the point of Nina Teicholz's articles and book. That was the OP's point. I never said that this way of eating is what everyone can or should do, I was saying it has worked for ME. If your metabolism is perfectly normal and highly carbohydrate tolerant, lucky for YOU. Eat all the carbs you want, you're welcome to it.

I'll wager many people are here on an apnea forum because they are not metabolically perfect. To the extent that obesity is a cause of apnea, many people here are not getting improvement of their metabolic issues from following the standard low fat, high carb advice. Any speculation on the percentage of people here are diabetic??? I'll wager it's a very high number, because metabolic syndrome, diabetes, and apnea all share some common factors (and which came first is an unanswered question). People with metabolic issues are told over and over again to eat low fat, high carb, and when it doesn't work for them they must be doing it wrong, they need to do it better, or exercise harder.

What if that advice is just wrong? What if? Too many people are just too afraid of fat to even try another way. Fat worked for me, that's what I'm saying.

This video is a nice clear explanation. While he focuses on diabetes, he talks about metabolic syndrome too. It's all part of the same continuum. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=epsSVosmtUc Note the references cited.

[Janknitz]

49er, look for "Let's Do Organic" creamed coconut. It's a brick shaped box containing a vacuum sealed package of coconut butter. It costs less than half of the jarred stuff. I find it at a local natural grocery store, and you can buy it on Amazon, too.

Itake it out of the packaging, heat it for 30 seconds in the microwave, and stir it up to stir in the coconut oil. Then pour the coconut butter into a silicone ice cube mold and refrigerate. Pop them out later and store in a jar. Now you have serving sized cubes of inexpensive coconut butter.

[49er]

49er, look for "Let's Do Organic" creamed coconut. It's a brick shaped box containing a vacuum sealed package of coconut butter. It costs less than half of the jarred stuff. I find it at a local natural grocery store, and you can buy it on Amazon, too.

Itake it out of the packaging, heat it for 30 seconds in the microwave, and stir it up to stir in the coconut oil. Then pour the coconut butter into a silicone ice cube mold and refrigerate. Pop them out later and store in a jar. Now you have serving sized cubes of inexpensive coconut butter.

Thank you so much Janknitz. You don't how happy you have made me with this suggestion.

49er

[Therapist]

81.7% fat

Well I am back to my "drink olive oil?" question. What in the world do you eat? I looked at the nutrition label for walnuts. If you ate walnuts all day and nothing else, you would only be getting 69% fat.

[palerider]

81.7% fat

Well I am back to my "drink olive oil?" question. What in the world do you eat? I looked at the nutrition label for walnuts. If you ate walnuts all day and nothing else, you would only be getting 69% fat.

are you just here to make fun of other people's diet choices?

[Janknitz]

Here's a somewhat typical day for me (none of them is exactly "typical"):
Breakfast: Large cup of coffee with 1 Tbsp of coconut oil, 1 ounce of coconut milk. (Sometimes that's all I have)
2 egg omelet with sautéed veggies. I use about 2 tbsp. ghee between sautéing the veggies and making the omelet.

Lunch: Salad with a little lettuce and a lot of veggies--usual fresh salad veggies like carrots, cucumbers, and radishes, and some leftover cooked broccoli and chard from the fridge. Leftover meat (in this case some lamb shank). Topped with 1 tbsp. lemon infused olive oil, salt, and pepper. Most commercial dressings have PUFA's and I'm not a big vinegar fan.

Dinner: Stir Fry with chicken thigh meat, red spinach (it turned the chicken pink!), onions, and mushrooms cooked in olive oil. 1 medium artichoke with two dipping sauces (garlic butter, curry with homemade mayo). 8 oz of homemade cherry kombucha.

Dessert: 3 oz of homemade coconut yogurt (no sweeteners) and a small serving of frozen blueberries.

In My Fitness Pal this came out to 76% fat, but my real intake is usually a little bit less because I'm not drinking up every bit of what gets left behind in the cooking pan. Carbs were 55 g total, 22 grams of which were fiber. Total Calories were 1783 which is a little higher than my usual daily caloric intake of around 1500. I generally don't count calories, but I do look at carbs and fat. As long as carbs are low (I try to stay under 50 g/day total) and fat is high, I'm good.

[Therapist]

That sounds like a reasonable diet to me, but it doesn't sound like 76% fat.