OT: overweight-man-kicked-off-southwest-flight

[DreamStalker]

When the sheeple allow themselves to be treated like domesticated animals ... they will be treated like domesticated animals.

DreamStalker,

What you have done to try to change the system?

I am asking as someone who has done zilch. When I get my pap therapy squared away, I hope to do something regarding reforming the mental health system.

But I was curious since you keep making the above point.

49er

You do what a domesticated animal would do if it had the cognitive capacity to do so ... escape your captivity and learn to live free. Unplug from the system and set yourself free. Stop playing their game that you cannot win. Learn to be self-sufficient and teach others to do the same. Seek out and participate in local community that is the only way to survive the transformation. The system is broken and cannot be changed. The system is corrupt and must be allowed to collapse. The system is flawed and must be replaced.

If you want to help the mentally ill, don't try to reform the system. Start local and create a new one.

[49er]

When the sheeple allow themselves to be treated like domesticated animals ... they will be treated like domesticated animals.

DreamStalker,

What you have done to try to change the system?

I am asking as someone who has done zilch. When I get my pap therapy squared away, I hope to do something regarding reforming the mental health system.

But I was curious since you keep making the above point.

49er

You do what a domesticated animal would do if it had the cognitive capacity to do so ... escape your captivity and learn to live free. Unplug from the system and set yourself free. Stop playing their game that you cannot win. Learn to be self-sufficient and teach others to do the same. Seek out and participate in local community that is the only way to survive the transformation. The system is broken and cannot be changed. The system is corrupt and must be allowed to collapse. The system is flawed and must be replaced.

If you want to help the mentally ill, don't try to reform the system. Start local and create a new one.

You didn't answer my question:) What have you done to break free or what have you done to teach others?

Google Robert Whitaker who has done quite bit to reform the mental health system including having an honest discussion of the current paradigm of care which is to usually only offer meds as the solution for all problems.

49er

[jdm2857]

So what happens when you buy two seats but they are on different isles?

Swim?

[chunkyfrog]

Isles-----aisles:

[Todzo]

So what happens when you buy two seats but they are on different isles?

Swim?

Hopefully a romantic interlude at the destination.

[DreamStalker]

When the sheeple allow themselves to be treated like domesticated animals ... they will be treated like domesticated animals.

DreamStalker,

What you have done to try to change the system?

I am asking as someone who has done zilch. When I get my pap therapy squared away, I hope to do something regarding reforming the mental health system.

But I was curious since you keep making the above point.

49er

You do what a domesticated animal would do if it had the cognitive capacity to do so ... escape your captivity and learn to live free. Unplug from the system and set yourself free. Stop playing their game that you cannot win. Learn to be self-sufficient and teach others to do the same. Seek out and participate in local community that is the only way to survive the transformation. The system is broken and cannot be changed. The system is corrupt and must be allowed to collapse. The system is flawed and must be replaced.

If you want to help the mentally ill, don't try to reform the system. Start local and create a new one.

You didn't answer my question:) What have you done to break free or what have you done to teach others?

Google Robert Whitaker who has done quite bit to reform the mental health system including having an honest discussion of the current paradigm of care which is to usually only offer meds as the solution for all problems.

49er

I'm doing what I just suggested -- unplugging from the system, as much as possible stopped playing their game, learning to be self-sufficient, seeking out like minded people, and trying to build intentional community for a major transformation. So, I quit my job, sold my house and useless assets, and continue to sell useless assets. I've taken and continue to take classes and workshops in aquaponics, permaculture, and energy/water self-sustaining rammed-earth and monolithic dome hybrid home construction. I'm seeking out like minded people to build a local self-sustaining community. And I try to tell as many and any who will listen what I have and continue to learn.

It is a complete paradigm shift of what most of us have been lead to believe in ... the American Dream. People need to wake up before it turns completely into a nightmare or they may not wake up at all. I woke up about 20 months ago, at first shocked and in denial, then angry and scared, then sad and anxious, and finally accepting and ready to face the inevitable economic, political, social, and cultural collapse. Every great civilization and empire in the history of human kind has collapsed, and the current modern one we live in today is no different. It has already started to collapse and the rate of collapse will pick up speed over the next few years. I think most people intuitively know there is something wrong with the world we live in but can't figure out exactly what it is. But it is actually simple, we have lost touch with the planet and lost all sense of reality to its finite limits. We have divorced our economic, political, social, and to some degree our cultural lives from the harmony of life on this planet.

[DreamStalker]

So what happens when you buy two seats but they are on different isles?

Swim?

I really thought someone would have suggested ... spread their cheeks.

And while we're on the topic of spreading cheeks ... get ready for some more ...

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/iraq ... 13845.html
http://rt.com/usa/white-house-syria-force-463/

... to distract you from the real issues we face.

[ButtermilkBuoy]

I'm doing what I just suggested -- unplugging from the system, as much as possible stopped playing their game, learning to be self-sufficient, seeking out like minded people, and trying to build intentional community for a major transformation. So, I quit my job, sold my house and useless assets, and continue to sell useless assets. I've taken and continue to take classes and workshops in aquaponics, permaculture, and energy/water self-sustaining rammed-earth and monolithic dome hybrid home construction. I'm seeking out like minded people to build a local self-sustaining community. And I try to tell as many and any who will listen what I have and continue to learn.

It is a complete paradigm shift of what most of us have been lead to believe in ... the American Dream. People need to wake up before it turns completely into a nightmare or they may not wake up at all. I woke up about 20 months ago, at first shocked and in denial, then angry and scared, then sad and anxious, and finally accepting and ready to face the inevitable economic, political, social, and cultural collapse. Every great civilization and empire in the history of human kind has collapsed, and the current modern one we live in today is no different. It has already started to collapse and the rate of collapse will pick up speed over the next few years. I think most people intuitively know there is something wrong with the world we live in but can't figure out exactly what it is. But it is actually simple, we have lost touch with the planet and lost all sense of reality to its finite limits. We have divorced our economic, political, social, and to some degree our cultural lives from the harmony of life on this planet.

Prepper!

[DreamStalker]

I'm doing what I just suggested -- unplugging from the system, as much as possible stopped playing their game, learning to be self-sufficient, seeking out like minded people, and trying to build intentional community for a major transformation. So, I quit my job, sold my house and useless assets, and continue to sell useless assets. I've taken and continue to take classes and workshops in aquaponics, permaculture, and energy/water self-sustaining rammed-earth and monolithic dome hybrid home construction. I'm seeking out like minded people to build a local self-sustaining community. And I try to tell as many and any who will listen what I have and continue to learn.

It is a complete paradigm shift of what most of us have been lead to believe in ... the American Dream. People need to wake up before it turns completely into a nightmare or they may not wake up at all. I woke up about 20 months ago, at first shocked and in denial, then angry and scared, then sad and anxious, and finally accepting and ready to face the inevitable economic, political, social, and cultural collapse. Every great civilization and empire in the history of human kind has collapsed, and the current modern one we live in today is no different. It has already started to collapse and the rate of collapse will pick up speed over the next few years. I think most people intuitively know there is something wrong with the world we live in but can't figure out exactly what it is. But it is actually simple, we have lost touch with the planet and lost all sense of reality to its finite limits. We have divorced our economic, political, social, and to some degree our cultural lives from the harmony of life on this planet.

Prepper!

Not exactly.

There preppers and there are survivalists and there are homesteaders.

Preppers IMO generally hoard resources to wait out a period of discomfort. Survivalists IMO focus on survival skill sets like self-defense, hunting and gathering, scavenging, and things like that. Homesteaders change their way of life to become independent and self-reliant. Although preppers, survivalists, and homesteaders do overlap in some ways, I would consider myself closer to homesteaders ... learning to live off the grid while developing local community relationships.

I gotta go now ... have an aquaponics class to attend.

[BlackSpinner]

I'm doing what I just suggested -- unplugging from the system, as much as possible stopped playing their game, learning to be self-sufficient, seeking out like minded people, and trying to build intentional community for a major transformation. So, I quit my job, sold my house and useless assets, and continue to sell useless assets. I've taken and continue to take classes and workshops in aquaponics, permaculture, and energy/water self-sustaining rammed-earth and monolithic dome hybrid home construction. I'm seeking out like minded people to build a local self-sustaining community. And I try to tell as many and any who will listen what I have and continue to learn.

It is a complete paradigm shift of what most of us have been lead to believe in ... the American Dream. People need to wake up before it turns completely into a nightmare or they may not wake up at all. I woke up about 20 months ago, at first shocked and in denial, then angry and scared, then sad and anxious, and finally accepting and ready to face the inevitable economic, political, social, and cultural collapse. Every great civilization and empire in the history of human kind has collapsed, and the current modern one we live in today is no different. It has already started to collapse and the rate of collapse will pick up speed over the next few years. I think most people intuitively know there is something wrong with the world we live in but can't figure out exactly what it is. But it is actually simple, we have lost touch with the planet and lost all sense of reality to its finite limits. We have divorced our economic, political, social, and to some degree our cultural lives from the harmony of life on this planet.

A lot of my friends did that in the 70's. Some are now living in nice condos in downtown Vancouver having sold their homestead at a huge profit. Once you get over 65 it gets kind off tough.
Domes are inefficient and energy hogs. Most of my friends turned them into storage spaces. Go and look up straw bale buildings. Most of the intentional communities I know still functioning get most of their income from tourism.
The thing wrong with the world is that 1% are trying to turn it into their personal feudal domain.

[gigawhat]

What an interesting conversation!

Bingo Blackspinner, definitely agree on all points there.

Like Kiralynx, all my weight is in the hips and thighs. My problem though is the fact that I have unusually large hips even for a woman, and then add extra weight to that, and there you have an almost impossible situation anywhere I sit. To extrapolate: most women have 5lb babies naturally, I have a 10. Size 16 at 128 lbs should tell you even more.

Even when I was much younger and thinner, I could barely squeak into a bulkhead airline seat that had solid side panel, could not fasten the seat belt at all, and was in a lot of circulation pain the entire flight. The stewardess was real flippant about it. That fact that I asked the ticket agent for the seat w/the most room and he gave me the one w/the least tells all. And that was 25 yrs ago.

The idea of paying extra for being overweight I feel would be fair >IF< they would give you a larger seat in the economy class. I don't want fancy service, just a decent seat and respect others get, no more, no less. They offer a "service". Just because the airlines all get together and decide to do the same thing to turn humans into sardines doesn't mean I am willing to pay for that attitude. Nor does it mean some enterprising business can't get an "idea" to offer more humane service. They could get a lot of business that way.

But I guess the whole subject goes even deeper into our society's psyche of the "thin is in" attitude. It wasn't always like that. Movie stars of long ago weren't made to look like sticks. It was expected to have hips. It was after the Marilyn Monroe era things started changing. She was in the WW2 era along with pinup girls, remember those? No sticks there, they had hips and were considered beautiful.

Sometimes I wonder if our society is becoming androgynous or something. Much of women's clothes are now made using men's pattern formats. If you look carefully, quite a bit of our clothing design is for women w/little to no hip flare. They do that to have more profit. So here again, we have greed up front and center.

I could go on and on, but need to get off the soap box

[Sheffey]

It was after the Marilyn Monroe era things started changing. She was in the WW2 era along with pinup girls, remember those? No sticks there, they had hips and were considered beautiful.

Hasn't changed with me!

[Sheffey]

Coincidentally, my wife was on a four-hour flight yesterday. She told me after she got on the plane a man who looked like he weighed 400 lbs. got on. She and everyone around her tensed up until he got to his seat a few rows behind her.

As soon as the plane got off the ground the guy fell asleep and began snoring, gurgling, gasping and choking loudly and continuously for much of the flight. I told her it was a shame that neither she nor none of the passengers told him to get a sleep study and a CPAP.

Reckon the poor fellow has never been told he has obstructive sleep apnea?

[DreamStalker]

Domes are inefficient and energy hogs. Most of my friends turned them into storage spaces. Go and look up straw bale buildings. Most of the intentional communities I know still functioning get most of their income from tourism.
The thing wrong with the world is that 1% are trying to turn it into their personal feudal domain.

I was referring to monolithic dome "hybrids". In any case it depends ... way north in the land of the ice and snow, I suppose they can be energy hogs. When combined with rammed earth thermal battery walls in subtropical climates they are super energy/water efficient. Straw bale structures are no better than plain monolithic domes in terms of energy eficiency since they too have no thermal battery walls and thus have to be heated and/or cooled plus they are known for high maintainance and mold issues. Rammed earth thermal battery walls require little to no energy to heat/cool when designed properly (go look up earthship biotecture) ... the concrete domes provide for great thermal convectional draw of ariflow plus acts as an excellent surface for rainwater harvesting. There is also a new concrete mixture (portand cement + polystyrene + basalt fiber) that makes the domes light weight and nearly indestructable, plus they are earthquake and tornado proof if you live in tornado alley or earthquake country. And except for the concrete dome, the structure can be maded from free materials .... used discarded tires and dirt.

Back in the 70's nobody was using aquaponics, permaculture, or thermal battery sheltering structures and so those communes were indded a difficult lifestyle. Very affordable tecnology is now available to more esily live a self-sufficient and sustainable life style so that people don't have to sell out to go buy condo coffins.

What's wrong with the world is that 90% of the population understadably want to live like the 10% ... an unsustainalbe goal for an exponential population growth on a planet with finite resources.

[BlackSpinner]

Straw bale structures are no better than plain monolithic domes in terms of energy eficiency since they too have no thermal battery walls and thus have to be heated and/or cooled plus they are known for high maintainance and mold issues.

What's wrong with the world is that 90% of the population understadably want to live like the 10% ... an unsustainalbe goal for an exponential population growth on a planet with finite resources.

Straw bale does have problems in humid & hot conditions. They work better in cold dry places where one can use heated brick stoves to keep it warm.

Well you are also doing that 10% thing because there is no way that all the worlds population can live your way. It is inefficient, cities and highrises are much more efficient if properly done.

What this has to do with people expecting first class service for the equivalent of a bus ticket flight I don't know.