OT: Tragic Shooting.

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Re: OT: Tragic Shooting.

Post by Uncle_Bob » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:37 pm

deltadave wrote:Again, it's about
Yeah until the next one in <insert town of mass murdered school children> then its

- blame it on the devil (and not the mental person), fall to knees in prayer, oh so sincere and rightous prayers. And then actually do nothing to help solve or reduce the problem.

after all when something bad happens its just gods plan right?

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Re: OT: Tragic Shooting.

Post by 123.Shawn T.W. » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:35 pm

Here is one from today that did not get to shoot anybody ... http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/1779629

And two days ago ... This will NEVER harm anybody again ... http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/1774199

For some good ideas on preventing this again, check out http://www.gunlaws.com/PageNineIndex.htm and scroll down to the most recent page nine #119 - special!
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Re: OT: Tragic Shooting.

Post by deltadave » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:48 am

Uncle_Bob wrote:...after all when something bad happens its just gods plan right?
It depends upon the catastrophe. Weather-related events (Katrina, Sandy) would be Mother Nature's Plan. Geological events (earthquakes, tidal waves) would be Mother Earth's Plan.

God's "Plan" (if you will) is to give everyone free agency (free will) and see what they do with it.
Uncle_Bob wrote:And then actually do nothing to help solve or reduce the problem.
Good point. So what is everybody actually doing about it?

Did everybody sign the WBC Petition?

Let's Get To A Million!

How about making and sending a snowflake?

Send A Snowflake

For those of you who forgot how to build a snowflake:

Build A Snowflake

Or get a T-shirt that supports a fundraiser:

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Re: OT: Tragic Shooting.

Post by 123.Shawn T.W. » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:35 am

deltadave wrote:Good point. So what is everybody actually doing about it?
Well, here in AZ we ... Governor Signs Bill, Teaches Actual Gun Safety for students, get school credit - http://www.gunlaws.com/HighSchoolMarksmanship.htm

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I have written to my senator ...

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Educate people, like we offer here in AZ - http://www.trainmeaz.com/

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Have a real "everything on the table" talk ... like this:
Dear Editor,

The tragedy in Newtown has gun lobbyists turned inside out. They fear for their own children, and neighborhoods and local shops. They do. Their hearts are in their throats.

The media are pounding them for answers, sometimes with inane on-air grilling that shows a complete lack of understanding, or worse, total bias against our rights and an abrogation of ethical behavior. Reporters are seething with anger, as are so many politicians, and it's on display. Have you watched Piers Morgan on CNN?

Something must be done. The president has called on us to do something. Well who, our nation's gun lobbyists are asking themselves, better to do that than us?

Who understands the issues better than we do, they ask? Who knows how to draft good, clean, healthy gun laws that will get the desired results? Are we to sit back sheepishly, and let the haters and the fearful ignorantly plaster the nation with poorly thought out assaults on our safety and our rights, as they have done so often in the past? Do we need another foolhardy waiting period or ammo-tax proposal that does nothing to stop crime -- or worse, unintentionally facilitates it?

Will Dianne Feinstein and Charles Schumer come up with another round of bans and Clintonian scolding that does nothing to make people truly safer, infringing on the innocent, just like last time? Or are we to rise up to this challenge, take out our pens and thinking caps now, while there is still time, and begin developing the laws the nation needs to help put an end to these atrocities? The nation is screaming for action. We hear you.

We must meet the flood of irrational anti-rights infringements we know will be offered with decent, reasonable, common-sense laws that get the job done properly.

The nation cannot afford to be bullied by anti-rights bigots on the march, seeking to assault civil rights in the false name of justice, dancing in the blood of victims as they always do. We cannot allow the slanderous use of the dead to motivate an agenda of hate, degrading rights Americans cherish.

We must take the initiative, and the moral high ground, deflect the infringements before they arrive, and let the enemies of freedom struggle uphill against rationale and reason.

The president said, "What choice do we have?... Gun laws are a part of this..." Gun lobbyists worth their salt agree with him. He said we need a broader plan too. This makes sense to us.

Here in Arizona we're already working on the broader part -- we want to see every citizen trained in gun safety and marksmanship. That scares the ignorant masses but appeals to the knowledgeable. And what better time to start than now.

You learn to swim even if you don't have a pool, because water can kill you. The same goes for guns whether you own one yet or not -- and of course guns, like water, can save your life -- a point the media suppresses with cruel regularity. Gun lobbyists know that being gunless is dangerous, a problem that needs serious examination nationwide. Nothing is off the table, especially education. How many schools need to be sacrificed to bring that point home? Now is the time.
Taken in part from here: http://www.gunlaws.com/Page9Folder100up ... ne-119.htm

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End 'Gun Free Zones"

The public (first responders) should be just as ready to react as the police (second responders).
They should be as well equipped as the second responders. Parity with police.

Gun-free zones are known to be dangerous, reckless and negligent. This is now repeatedly proven beyond any doubt. In public property (government buildings) a separate set of rules will be needed, as Arizona and other states have adopted. A decent respect for the rights of private property owners prevents us as a society from mandating an end to privately maintained make-believe gun-free zones. This is the solution that must be on the table:

The Gun-Free-Zone Liability Act
"If you make a so-called gun-free zone by hanging signs you are liable for any harm it causes."
Read more and get draft language here. It's time to help.
http://www.gunlaws.com/GFZ/index.htm

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Oklahoma lawmaker to ask for teachers/principals to have guns - http://blog.newsok.com/red-dirt-ruckus/ ... have-guns/

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Makes sense, since it seemed to work fairly well in Pearl, MS - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_High_School_shooting

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ETA:
And get IDIOTS like this out of office! http://www.examiner.com/article/democra ... ath-threat
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Re: OT: Tragic Shooting.

Post by Old_Prof » Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:46 am

While he was reading his speech about the Connecticut tragedy last Sunday night President Obama said "We can't let this become routine." Oh, really? Why not?

Fifty years ago the idea that we would be murdering well over a million babies per year would have horrified and outraged the American people, but it has become routine. If that unspeakable obscenity can become routine, how can we judge anything else as so awful that "we can't let it become routine"?

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Re: OT: Tragic Shooting.

Post by 123.Shawn T.W. » Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:38 pm

Your right Old_Prof! The fires of Molech have been very busy!

I do hope that the President takes this seriously ... And see that since we have had more gun restrictions, that we also get more terrible shootings like this, hopefully he will become educated about how to protect the children.

People need to learn about SSRI drugs, and what they do to the children! http://www.ssristories.com/

Something as valuable as our children are protected by a sign, and how many body guards does the president employ? Maybe he should just hold up a sign say that he is a gun free zone!

We already have laws that say it is a felony to murder people, obviously these sick COWARDS do not care about laws!
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Re: OT: Tragic Shooting.

Post by TheUglyTruth » Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:09 pm

It is not only abortion that is desensitizing our citizens to killing.

While statists on the left are pushing for more victim disarmament, statists on the right have the even more ridiculous notion that violent video games and movies are the problem.

It's true that violent video games and movies can desensitize you to blood and gore. So can working in an emergency room. Are statist conservatives concerned that surgeons and trauma nurses are more likely to go on killing sprees?

The real question is not what makes people desensitized to graphic imagery. The real question is what makes them morally desensitized to actual killing. What teaches them that it's okay to kill people in order to get what you want? Perhaps it is the over 60,000 civilian casualties in the Iraq War, including women and children?

If American foreign policy were a video game, it would involve shooting through hundreds of women and children and then one or two bad guys to get oil. Statist conservatives would fight to ban that video game.

To bad they won't fight to end the real thing.

Our foreign policy, not our entertainment, teaches us to devalue human life.

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Re: OT: Tragic Shooting.

Post by RandyJ » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:57 pm

"Scientists are baffled by Canadians' ability to watch movies and play video games and not shoot each other." -- Danny Zuker

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Avoid...

Post by deltadave » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:27 am

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Re: Avoid...

Post by 49er » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:36 am

deltadave wrote:Image
DD,

Can you clarify? Do you mean avoid this thread?

Thanks!

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Re: OT: Tragic Shooting.

Post by deltadave » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:49 am

When people try to delete their posts though editing, they find they cannot post "nothing", and have to post "something".

While trying to post "something", they often select a period ("."), which is as close to "nothing" as they think they can get (as an aside, these people are known as "The Dot People").

One workaround, however, would be to post an image of the background color. Now, you may notice that the background color alternates between the 2 shades, so you can't use the same one every time.

At any rate, having done this, one's post takes on the appearance of...
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Re: OT: Tragic Shooting.

Post by 49er » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:51 am

Thanks for clarifying.

49er
deltadave wrote:When people try to delete their posts though editing, they find they cannot post "nothing", and have to post "something".

While trying to post "something", they often select a period ("."), which is as close to "nothing" as they think they can get (as an aside, these people are known as "The Dot People").

One workaround, however, would be to post an image of the background color. Now, you may notice that the background color alternates between the 2 shades, so you can't use the same one every time.

At any rate, having done this, one's post takes on the appearance of...

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Re: Avoid...

Post by kaiasgram » Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:02 am

Dave, I was going to send you a PM so as not to extend this thread. Since I can't PM you I just want to add my voice to that of 49'er and to second Pugsy's ditto. My dear friend is married to the provost at Virginia Tech. I'll never forget our conversations back in 2007. Heartfelt support coming your way.

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Re: OT: Tragic Shooting.

Post by deltadave » Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:22 am

Thank you for your thoughts, KG, and accept them simply as an Agent of The Community, for I truly and sincerely do not have the right to be upset. That is completely reserved by the Mothers of the 20.

The dynamic is horrific.

Is the next Level of Grief that of the Fathers? Or the SOs of The Six? The brothers and sisters of The 20?

The Concentric Circles of Grief create a caste system, creating a conversational barrier that cannot be crossed.

It is trendy to say "Newtown Will Recover"-- but will it? Will the coveted privacy sought by New Englanders serve to be their undoing? The parents who are speaking out are "outsiders"-- for instance, from Utah and UK. Do they have a greater ability to heal?

While there is a pall over the community, I drive 60 miles away and Life Goes On as though nothing happened. The Concentric Circles of Grief...

Do people forget that fast? Is that good or bad?

Yet, simply say the word Columbine...

... "Yeah, that's where Klebold and... and... that other kid..."

WTC, Pearl Harbor, Dachau, Omaha Beach, Gettysburg... so long ago, so far away...

The Pakistani children... yeah right, "What Pakistani children?"

But now coming to light for all the wrong reasons.

Horrific.
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Re: OT: Tragic Shooting.

Post by deltadave » Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:51 am

I must make a list of Places Where I Have Found Strange and Selfish Comfort.
  • The South Pool
  • The North Pool
  • The Alamo
  • The Eternal Flame at the JFK Gravesite
and places where I still need to go:
  • The Wall
  • Normandy
  • USS Arizona
  • SHES
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