Any clue why I didn't want to get up this morning?

[deltadave]

Yo LZ, can you tell me the trick with that Hit [Esc] thing? I've been bangin' that key for 30 minutes but the bug won't stop moving:



TIA.

[deltadave]

Yo LZ, can you tell me the trick with that Hit [Esc] thing? I've been bangin' that key for 30 minutes but the bug won't stop moving:



TIA.

NM, Chunkyfrog found a workaround.

[lazer]

Thanks again for the responses. Makes sense, especially the change of seasons and lack of exercise. Could be the benzo's but I've been on them for quite awhile in one form or another. Lately I've seemed to been able to tweak my alarm clocks a little better to wake me up in time plus my kitten/cat has been nudging all up at my face I guess when the first alarm sounds which is annoying but helpful.

I would put my money on the Klonopin. It has a half life of 20-50 hours. This could easily make you sleep through an alarm, feel tired during the day and make your deep sleep go as low as it did on your Zeo. If you're using this for insomnia, I'd take a strong look at what's contributing to your insomnia.

I look at benzodiazepines for sleep (Ambien, et al included) like the little kid with his finger in the dam.

I know and completely understand what you're saying. My problem is I'm dependent on the benzo's to control my anxiety. I have yet to find an alternative to that as of yet and I've tried, even withdrawing from xanax over a 30 day period on my own last year which was a disaster. Sent me straight for a "Stress test" to name one...

Hi lazer!

So how do you score on this baby: http://www.heartofengland.nhs.uk/upload ... nnaire.pdf

Have a great week!

Todzo

Thanks but I can't get that link to load for me?

And to deltadave, That's not my bug!

[Todzo]

Thanks again for the responses. Makes sense, especially the change of seasons and lack of exercise. Could be the benzo's but I've been on them for quite awhile in one form or another. Lately I've seemed to been able to tweak my alarm clocks a little better to wake me up in time plus my kitten/cat has been nudging all up at my face I guess when the first alarm sounds which is annoying but helpful.

I would put my money on the Klonopin. It has a half life of 20-50 hours. This could easily make you sleep through an alarm, feel tired during the day and make your deep sleep go as low as it did on your Zeo. If you're using this for insomnia, I'd take a strong look at what's contributing to your insomnia.

I look at benzodiazepines for sleep (Ambien, et al included) like the little kid with his finger in the dam.

I know and completely understand what you're saying. My problem is I'm dependent on the benzo's to control my anxiety. I have yet to find an alternative to that as of yet and I've tried, even withdrawing from xanax over a 30 day period on my own last year which was a disaster. Sent me straight for a "Stress test" to name one...

Hi lazer!

So how do you score on this baby: http://www.heartofengland.nhs.uk/upload ... nnaire.pdf

Have a great week!

Todzo

Thanks but I can't get that link to load for me?

And to deltadave, That's not my bug!

Hi Lazer,

The link still works for me (from your response) so perhaps the origin in England or perhaps that it is a download link for a PDF??

The text version:

Nijmegen Questionnaire:

A score of over 23 out of 64 suggests a positive diagnosis of hyperventilation syndrome.

Rate the following where:

Never=0 Rarely=1 Sometimes=2 Often=3 Very Often=4

__ Chest pain
__ Feeling tense
__ Blurred vision
__ Dizzy spells
__ Feeling confused
__ Faster or deeper breathing
__ Short of breath
__ Tight feelings in chest
__ Bloated feeling in stomach
__ Tingling fingers
__ Unable to breathe deeply
__ Stiff fingers or arms
__ Tight feelings round mouth
__ Cold hands or feet
__ Palpitations
__ Feeling of anxiety


___ TOTAL (See instructions above)


Have a lot of fun!

Todzo

[lazer]

Thanks for the followup and info Todzo. I will take the test but don't know how accurate it will be since I'm on a steady dosage of Clonazepam that rids pretty much all of the mentioned. I guess I have to think back pre-benzo to answer accurately?

[lazer]

Nijmegen Questionnaire:

A score of over 23 out of 64 suggests a positive diagnosis of hyperventilation syndrome.

Rate the following where:

Never=0 Rarely=1 Sometimes=2 Often=3 Very Often=4

3 Chest pain
4 Feeling tense
0 Blurred vision
1 Dizzy spells
3 Feeling confused
4 Faster or deeper breathing
3 Short of breath
4 Tight feelings in chest
2 Bloated feeling in stomach
1 Tingling fingers
2 Unable to breathe deeply
1 Stiff fingers or arms
2 Tight feelings round mouth
4 Cold hands or feet
3 Palpitations
4 Feeling of anxiety


37 = TOTAL (See instructions above)

[Todzo]

Thanks for the followup and info Todzo. I will take the test but don't know how accurate it will be since I'm on a steady dosage of Clonazepam that rids pretty much all of the mentioned. I guess I have to think back pre-benzo to answer accurately?

Hi Lazer!

I find myself strangely inspired to put on my bicycle helmet and go for a long ride today. I am going into a time of high stress, I need by breathing reflexes to not "take off" and, recently seeing one of my friends on two high dose benzos - I really do hope to avoid them.

Have a great weekend!

Todzo

[lazer]

Thanks for the followup and info Todzo. I will take the test but don't know how accurate it will be since I'm on a steady dosage of Clonazepam that rids pretty much all of the mentioned. I guess I have to think back pre-benzo to answer accurately?

Hi Lazer!

I find myself strangely inspired to put on my bicycle helmet and go for a long ride today. I am going into a time of high stress, I need by breathing reflexes to not "take off" and, recently seeing one of my friends on two high dose benzos - I really do hope to avoid them.

Have a great weekend!

Todzo

Thanks Todzo and have a wonderful Bike ride. 3mg of Clonazepam a day for me. Anxiety pretty well in check but sleep certainly seems a bit off to say the least. I mean, I can sleep 7 hours/ 9hours/ 12hours ... and it all feels the same. I feel like I slept but also feel like I would like to lay in bed and sleep some more.

[kutastha]

Thanks Todzo and have a wonderful Bike ride. 3mg of Clonazepam a day for me. Anxiety pretty well in check but sleep certainly seems a bit off to say the least. I mean, I can sleep 7 hours/ 9hours/ 12hours ... and it all feels the same. I feel like I slept but also feel like I would like to lay in bed and sleep some more. [/quote]

Once again, you probably feel this way from both the benzodiazepines and the poor sleep structure. That's a pretty generous dose of Klonopin, and though being on it for a long period may increase your tolerance, it may still have pretty significant side effects. It's a push-pull on taming the symptoms of anxiety versus sleeping and feeling better. Like I said, there are other medications out there for anxiety that may not have these side effects.

[lazer]

Once again, you probably feel this way from both the benzodiazepines and the poor sleep structure. That's a pretty generous dose of Klonopin, and though being on it for a long period may increase your tolerance, it may still have pretty significant side effects. It's a push-pull on taming the symptoms of anxiety versus sleeping and feeling better. Like I said, there are other medications out there for anxiety that may not have these side effects.

I would be interested in finding these. My doc has also had me on 300mg of Gapapentin 3x daily which seemed to help at first but back when I discontinued the xanax for that brief month last year, it didn't seem to hold it's value although I am still on it also.

[kutastha]

Once again, you probably feel this way from both the benzodiazepines and the poor sleep structure. That's a pretty generous dose of Klonopin, and though being on it for a long period may increase your tolerance, it may still have pretty significant side effects. It's a push-pull on taming the symptoms of anxiety versus sleeping and feeling better. Like I said, there are other medications out there for anxiety that may not have these side effects.

I would be interested in finding these. My doc has also had me on 300mg of Gapapentin 3x daily which seemed to help at first but back when I discontinued the xanax for that brief month last year, it didn't seem to hold it's value although I am still on it also.

Typically, SSRIs are used treat chronic anxiety, but beta blockers, tricyclics antidepressants and others can be used. I find gabapentin unusual in that it is an antiepileptic medication, which can cause some drowsiness and slight cognitive slowing, so perhaps that's the effect you felt. If you have a psychiatrist, I'd discuss your sleep troubles and the possibility Klonopin may be contributing to them with him or her. If you don't have one, it might be worth seeing one.

[lazer]

Once again, you probably feel this way from both the benzodiazepines and the poor sleep structure. That's a pretty generous dose of Klonopin, and though being on it for a long period may increase your tolerance, it may still have pretty significant side effects. It's a push-pull on taming the symptoms of anxiety versus sleeping and feeling better. Like I said, there are other medications out there for anxiety that may not have these side effects.

I would be interested in finding these. My doc has also had me on 300mg of Gapapentin 3x daily which seemed to help at first but back when I discontinued the xanax for that brief month last year, it didn't seem to hold it's value although I am still on it also.

Typically, SSRIs are used treat chronic anxiety, but beta blockers, tricyclics antidepressants and others can be used. I find gabapentin unusual in that it is an antiepileptic medication, which can cause some drowsiness and slight cognitive slowing, so perhaps that's the effect you felt. If you have a psychiatrist, I'd discuss your sleep troubles and the possibility Klonopin may be contributing to them with him or her. If you don't have one, it might be worth seeing one.

I do have a psychiatrist. I'm also on an SSRI (Generic Lexapro) - but it in itself doesn't conquer the anxiety as did any others in the past: Prozac, Effexor, Celexa, Cymbalta, ect... and the thought of using "tricyclics" scares the shit right out of me because of all the side effects I've oft read about concerning them. But I do appreciate your input. I see my psychiatrist this coming Tuesday on the 9th. so I'm not sure what to really talk with him about other than my ongoing concerns regarding the effect(s) of the benzo's on sleep since my mood and anxiety has eased and depression isn't currently an issue either.

[kutastha]

[I do have a psychiatrist. I'm also on an SSRI (Generic Lexapro) - but it in itself doesn't conquer the anxiety as did any others in the past: Prozac, Effexor, Celexa, Cymbalta, ect... and the thought of using "tricyclics" scares the shit right out of me because of all the side effects I've oft read about concerning them. But I do appreciate your input. I see my psychiatrist this coming Tuesday on the 9th. so I'm not sure what to really talk with him about other than my ongoing concerns regarding the effect(s) of the benzo's on sleep since my mood and anxiety has eased and depression isn't currently an issue either.

This is the push-pull I alluded to. Good luck.