NEW!!!! PR S1 Pro w/Auto IQ !!!!

[jnk]

Goshes, jnk. You don't happen to have any strong feelings about this new PAP, do you???

Who? Me? Opinions? That would be above my pay grade.

Actually, I agree w/you but .... had to share the info w/the forum so the newbies could see the reaction and opinions of the "pros" before they buy or before their 30 days window has passed.

Well, as long as it has data and as long as it can run in CPAP mode at a pressure a patient or clinician chooses (which, for this machine, are unknowns to me at this point), I would think it would belong on any "recommended" list, patient to patient.

On the other hand, if it hides data from the patient or is limited in the modes it can run in, those would be deal-breakers for me.

Seems to me the concept may be confusing to patients and docs--kinda like that mode, (what was it called, something like "split-night setting"?) that some Respironics machines had and that some machines would accidentally be put into and handed to patients in. Few understood what it was for and why it was there, if I remember correctly.

Once you start blurring the lines between what is an auto and what is not, there is a potential for a lot of confusion. So I think marketing will be difficult for the concept. Hands-on people usually want to be hands-on the whole way; auto people usually like full-time auto. Creating a hybrid part-auto-part-cpap mode may be useful in some situations, but may suffer from the El-Camino curse of promising both a truck and a car but actually delivering a product that is not quite either one. The people who want that may love it, but it may be a niche product that few others every really understand, or want to understand.

Then again, hey, this AutoIQ may be the next big thing. I've been wrong before. And frankly, I'd enjoy being wrong about this one.

Maybe PR developed this PR S1 Pro AutoIQ to compete w/the Resmed S9 Escape Auto, ya think????

Seems to me the Philips Respironics people need a hit of some sort. That ResMed monster company needs some good competition. And ResMed needs to be spanked over that non-data Auto. THAT sure muddied the waters compared to the days when we could simply tell someone to get an auto in order for them to be sure to have data. Again, I see it could have a purpose in some very limited situations. It is just confusing.

Anyway, I am panning the marketing more than the concept. The product needs a name that clarifies what it does. When all autos (as far as I know) can already be manually put into CPAP mode once a 95% or 90% pressure has been determined by a patient or clinician, it just seems lazy for a machine to have to be trusted to do that automatically, if that's all the AutoIQ does.

Enough of my opinions. I'll shut up to read the others. Hopefully they will change my mind. I like having my mind changed. I am an optimistic cynic.

[GumbyCT]

Once you start blurring the lines between what is an auto and what is not, there is a potential for a lot of confusion.

Kinda like "ALL Weather Tires" which are equally bad in ALL weather? Some people swear by these tires, but they usu have new fenders

Seems to me the Philips Respironics people need a hit of some sort. That ResMed monster company needs some good competition. And ResMed needs to be spanked over that non-data Auto.

Give the Respironics credit for realizing anything plugged into a cigarette lighter (power) outlet in an automobile should be 12V to match the power source of the automobile.

Philips Respironics, the marketing morons, strike again!

Do they have double-secret operatives (here) who know but "can" tell ? Why they chose this approach?

We are ALL ears!!!

[Hose_Head]

From the cpap.com site:

"AutoIQ technology takes the PR System One REMstar Pro CPAP Machine with C-Flex Plus to a smarter level. This feature offers 30 nights of auto adjusting capability, during which time the system works as an Auto CPAP delivering an adaptive pressure on a breath by breath basis. After the initial 30 days in auto adjusting mode, the system switches to Auto-Check Phase and functions as a CPAP delivering the pressure that the patient was at or below 90% of the time. The Auto-Check Phase continuously verifies pressure requirements and makes adjustments every 30 hours providing the user with more effective pressure levels over time.

Please note this is not an Auto CPAP Machine. It functions as an Auto CPAP during Auto-Trial Phase and switches to CPAP mode during Auto-Check Phase. "


I'm not sure what all the hub-bub is about this from previous posters. Personally, I see the AutoIQ as a positive move forward in machine technology. Yes, I know, it's not an apap. But it IS a step up from a straight cpap.

I see that this new machine will be a benefit for all of those who have posted here who have complained about getting a poor lab-titration. It's also a simpler solution to those who use an apap to check their optimum pressure and then set their apap to straight cpap mode (the IQ will do this for them automatically!).

I agree, it's NOT a replacement for an apap. Those of who want to use apaps will still be able to do so. Those on straight cpap will benefit from this machine.

The only downsides to the AutoIQ that I see are whether the machine can detect and take into account central apneas. Hopefully, it will be restricted to operate within a controlled range of pressures, and can be set to operate in straight cpap mode (without the auto function).

2 cents.

[chunkyfrog]

This sounds like it was designed for abuse--primarily by insurance companies and 'care givers'.
However the price point might work for people who have no insurance and no medical connection save one for the initial RX.

[Otter]

I'd rather have a real truck, but I do see a niche for the new machine. If you can't tolerate APAP, you could benefit from having the machine adjust your pressure every 30 hours, assuming the algorithm makes reasonable choices.

As for the doctors who do not like auto machines, I don't know. Some of the complaints seem to be related to running auto with a ridiculously wide range. But I suspect that the core of it is John Henry not wanting to be replaced by the steam drill. APAP does not replace polysomnography for diagnosis, but I think in most cases it is superior for titration. People really need to be titrated in the environment they'll be sleeping in. And a night or two in the lab just doesn't provide enough data anyway.

[KenS]

This has confirmed my theory that these machines are basically the same apart from firmware..

Oh, I think that is more than theory. They have to be the same hardware or they wouldn't be able to do their base function. No additional hardware is needed to record more data to a SD card. No additional hardware is needed to run calculations on that data for titration. The phrase is 'intellectual property'. My company does the same thing, we have one hardware platform for half a dozen controllers.

Alshain, your avatar is great!

[Slinky]

... After the initial 30 days in auto adjusting mode, the system switches to Auto-Check Phase and functions as a CPAP delivering the pressure that the patient was at or below 90% of the time. The Auto-Check Phase continuously verifies pressure requirements and makes adjustments every 30 hours providing the user with more effective pressure levels over time. ...

[Guest]

I'm not sure what all the hub-bub is about this from previous posters. Personally, I see the AutoIQ as a positive move forward in machine technology.

I'm just wondering if there is any way other than the 30 hour adjustment to set it to a new setting at all.

Tell me about the second hand market for these machines.....you think anyone is going to want to buy one that has been used? This benefits PR only. Patients can't sell these machines used, which makes it the manufacturer's dream machine.

There is your hub-bub for the day.

[jnk]

. . . wondering if there is any way other than the 30 hour adjustment to set it to a new setting at all.

"•Auto-Check Phase may be bypassed. CPAP mode can be entered directly."-- https://www.cpap.com/productpage/respir ... utoiq.html (under "Important Tips")

[Slinky]

Eh, people sell used CPAPs all the time. Heck, if you can buy illegal drugs so easily in this country what makes you think you can't buy a used CPAP??

You can't believe everything you read and less than half of what you hear. And heaven only knows how much of what you see you can believe!!!!

[archangle]

Eh, people sell used CPAPs all the time. Heck, if you can buy illegal drugs so easily in this country what makes you think you can't buy a used CPAP??

You can't believe everything you read and less than half of what you hear. And heaven only knows how much of what you see you can believe!!!!

I think the point is that the machine cripples itself after 30 days of autotitration and (Maybe?) can't be reset. If you sell it to another user, they can't do the AutoIQ stuff.

You could resell it to an uninformed buyer or to an informed buyer who knows and is willing to use it as a manual CPAP.

[ThomasMcKean]

I think the point is that the machine cripples itself after 30 days of autotitration and (Maybe?) can't be reset. If you sell it to another user, they can't do the AutoIQ stuff.

You could resell it to an uninformed buyer or to an informed buyer who knows and is willing to use it as a manual CPAP.

That link provided a bit ago seemed to indicate that it COULD be reset? But it looks also like it will not function as reg'lar APAP. At least that's how *I* read it... Mind yew, I am sure any reset would be in clinical menu only.

[archangle]

I think the point is that the machine cripples itself after 30 days of autotitration and (Maybe?) can't be reset. If you sell it to another user, they can't do the AutoIQ stuff.

You could resell it to an uninformed buyer or to an informed buyer who knows and is willing to use it as a manual CPAP.

That link provided a bit ago seemed to indicate that it COULD be reset? But it looks also like it will not function as reg'lar APAP. At least that's how *I* read it... Mind yew, I am sure any reset would be in clinical menu only.

What link is that?

[archangle]

This has confirmed my theory that these machines are basically the same apart from firmware..

The schematics in the service manual are apparently the same for all the models higher than the Plus. That was from before the AutoIQ came out though.

[ThomasMcKean]

I think the point is that the machine cripples itself after 30 days of autotitration and (Maybe?) can't be reset. If you sell it to another user, they can't do the AutoIQ stuff.

You could resell it to an uninformed buyer or to an informed buyer who knows and is willing to use it as a manual CPAP.

That link provided a bit ago seemed to indicate that it COULD be reset? But it looks also like it will not function as reg'lar APAP. At least that's how *I* read it... Mind yew, I am sure any reset would be in clinical menu only.

What link is that?

This one here:

https://www.cpap.com/productpage/respir ... utoiq.html